FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!

   WWW.RLFANS.COM • View topic - Why was our average crowd so poor compared to other clubs?
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach1104
JoinedServiceReputation
Sep 20 200519 years66th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
20th Dec 24 17:2620th Dec 24 09:57LINK
Milestone Posts
1000
2500
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
The Yard

Wires71 wrote:
I think the 2002 Steve Anderson season was worse than 2023 and on a par with 2022.


2002 was easily the worst I can remember. Paying good money to watch the likes of Gary Hulse, Dave Alstead, Leon Felton, Tom O'Reilly, Dale Cardoza, Danny Halliwell and Kevin Crouthers, plus of course our 'star import' Matt Rodwell, was soul-destroying.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach14174
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 25 200618 years8th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
21st Dec 24 20:1420th Dec 24 10:19LINK
Milestone Posts
10000
15000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Forum21

The Speculator wrote:
2002 was easily the worst I can remember. Paying good money to watch the likes of Gary Hulse, Dave Alstead, Leon Felton, Tom O'Reilly, Dale Cardoza, Danny Halliwell and Kevin Crouthers, plus of course our 'star import' Matt Rodwell, was soul-destroying.


You forgot "The Sturminator", Dean Busby and Warren Stevens who Cullen described "as the best forward in the Championship".

Least we got Westwood and Wood in midway and Darren Burns and Fozzard were decent.
RankPostsTeam
International Star2988
JoinedServiceReputation
Apr 09 201510 years70th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
22nd Dec 24 01:3118th Dec 24 14:21LINK
Milestone Posts
2500
5000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Wires71 wrote:
You forgot "The Sturminator", Dean Busby and Warren Stevens who Cullen described "as the best forward in the Championship".

Least we got Westwood and Wood in midway and Darren Burns and Fozzard were decent.


Sid Domic too was good for us that year.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach1104
JoinedServiceReputation
Sep 20 200519 years66th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
20th Dec 24 17:2620th Dec 24 09:57LINK
Milestone Posts
1000
2500
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
The Yard

Alffi_7 wrote:
Sid Domic too was good for us that year.

He was indeed. Just to nudge the thread back to the subject of crowds, our average home attendance in that 2002 season was 6,270. The highest 'gate' was 9,105 (when we played Widnes), which is still well below our average home crowd for 2024. Shows how times have changed.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Club Coach17316
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 15 200817 years75th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
21st Dec 24 17:5021st Dec 24 17:14LINK
Milestone Posts
15000
20000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Signature
Packs Win Games
Great Packs Make All Backs Look Class
#onceawirealwaysawire

Alffi_7 wrote:
Sid Domic too was good for us that year.

Yes, he was the good side of average.

He wanted to stay but we didn’t offer him a deal. He went to Wakey.
Who was it we brought it to force Domic out?

I don’t like to dwell much on that period of our club.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Chairman34711No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 24 201312 years22nd
OnlineLast PostLast Page
21st Dec 24 22:3221st Dec 24 22:32LINK
Milestone Posts
30000
40000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

rubber duckie wrote:
Yes, he was the good side of average.

He wanted to stay but we didn’t offer him a deal. He went to Wakey.
Who was it we brought it to force Domic out?

I don’t like to dwell much on that period of our club.


The RFL changed the rules and reduced the number of Overseas Quota players that a club could have.

Wire didn`t bring another player to the club to replace Domic, but were forced to release a player and chose him.
RankPostsTeam
International Chairman2268No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 22 200123 years215th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
21st Dec 24 17:3319th Dec 24 09:50LINK
Milestone Posts
1000
2500
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Monitoring outside for the people inside
Signature
Monitoring outside for the people inside

I remember being at Wigan for our play-off defeat which was Sid's last game for us. The crowd were singing the "Super Sid song" and he was almost in tears.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Club Coach17316
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 15 200817 years75th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
21st Dec 24 17:5021st Dec 24 17:14LINK
Milestone Posts
15000
20000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Signature
Packs Win Games
Great Packs Make All Backs Look Class
#onceawirealwaysawire

Boss Hog wrote:
The RFL changed the rules and reduced the number of Overseas Quota players that a club could have.

Wire didn`t bring another player to the club to replace Domic, but were forced to release a player and chose him.

Cheers. That’ll be why I couldn’t think of a replacement. :IDEA:
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Club Coach16273
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 12 200420 years77th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
21st Dec 24 22:1621st Dec 24 17:53LINK
Milestone Posts
15000
20000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Signature
Challenge Cup winners 2009 2010 2012 2019
League Leaders 2011 2016

Domic was much better than "the good side of average". With hindsight it was a real mistake to let him go - we prioritised Appo who had the one good stretch in his Wire career at the time. Domic went on to be an integral player for Wakey who made the playoffs the next year when we didn't, and then to Hull who made the Grand Final.

That 2002 season was easily the worst of my time following Wire. Much worse than 2022. There was more at stake because the club had far less stable foundations. When you look at what happened to Halifax after 2003 you can see the fate that could have been in store for us. We went into 2002 with basically a Championship level squad, plus a handful of really good pros who stepped up and played well when we were in trouble - Burns, Domic, Fozzard and Nat Wood who we signed mid season. Briers had his worst season for us but he did turn it on in a couple of games that were crucial for us in staying up.

I remember we played 3 games over Easter - I think it was Salford, Widnes and Wakey - lost them all and thats when we knew we were in deep trouble. I have a strong memory of coming out of the ground at Belle Vue realising we were way short of even the sides at the lower end of the table.

Signing Nat Wood from Wakey - a relegation rival - was huge because he brought a competitive edge which we had lacked. We signed Westwood at the same time which over the long term was one of the biggest signings in Wire history but he didn't do a great deal that season.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Star2951
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 22 201014 years51st
OnlineLast PostLast Page
21st Dec 24 22:0821st Dec 24 19:03LINK
Milestone Posts
2500
5000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Appleton Thorn

Sorry lads but I was wondering why we have done so badly this year. But have enjoyed how bad it was in 2002. Nat Wood was fun wasn't he.
Previous

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 172 guests

REPLY

Subject: 
Message:
   
Please note using apple style emoji's can result in posting failures.
Use the FULL EDITOR to better format content or upload images, be notified of replies etc...

Return to Warrington Wolves


RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
2s
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
hull2524
4118
3s
Game - Song Titles
Cokey
40950
30s
BORED The Band Name Game
karetaker
63448
39s
Rumours thread
BarnsleyGull
2591
43s
Film game
karetaker
6357
45s
Transfer chatter for 2025 - New Dec 1st tamper date
ComeOnYouUll
170
48s
Leigh Leopards Playing Squad 2025
Vancouver Le
13
1m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
leeds owl
2725
2m
Sports Personality of the Year
sally cinnam
25
4m
Pre-season
rugbyleague8
24
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Red Bull
rubber ducki
6
TODAY
Bulls TV
Wigan Bull
4
TODAY
Leigh Leopards Playing Squad 2025
Vancouver Le
13
TODAY
The Shay
Encouraged
7
TODAY
Wigan Warriors crowned Team of the Year at BBC Sports Personality Awards
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
BBC SPOTY Team of the year
muttywhitedo
11
TODAY
Pre Season Thread
Clickin'knee
15
TODAY
Trinity Heritage Podcast Quiz
PopTart
3
TODAY
New Shirts
Kick and cha
4
TODAY
Sizing on womens shirts
WillCherno
1
TODAY
Ben Lam Leaves Dragons
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
New Roles for HULL KR
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Questions regarding seeing a game at Bradford
Fr13daY
3
TODAY
Alec Tuitavake
Jack Gaskell
5
TODAY
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Jet2 has signed a major sponsorship deal with the Leigh Leopards for the 2025 Betfred Super League season
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Salford
Huddersfield
2
TODAY
ONeill
Father Ted
25
TODAY
Thirkill and Hood complete Hull FC takeover
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Why was our average crowd so poor compared to other clubs
Smiffy27
30
TODAY
NRL Expansion
Father Ted
11
TODAY
Pre-season
rugbyleague8
24
TODAY
Josh Thewlis extents deal
matt_wire
2
TODAY
Takeover
UllFC
35
TODAY
RIP Syd Hynes
LeedsLurch
10
TODAY
Small squad numbers
Chesterrhino
7
TODAY
Hopes and Dreams for a New Season
Jack Gaskell
15
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Wigan Warriors crowned Team of..
352
Ben Lam Leaves Dragons..
211
New Roles for HULL KR...
203
Jet2 has signed a major sponso..
320
Thirkill and Hood complete Hul..
328
Captains Challenge for Televis..
645
England Women Las Vegas train-..
831
Opening Championship and Leagu..
1015
2025 Betfred Super League Fixt..
2371
Magic Weekend 2025 - Back To N..
1399
England Beat Samoa To Take Tes..
1989
England's Women Demolish The W..
1824
England Beat Samoa Comfortably..
2068
Operational Rules Tribunal â..
1783
IMG-RFL club gradings released..
2049
RLFANS Match Centre
Matches on TV
Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds - Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield - Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Fri 28th Feb
SL
20:00
Huddersfield-Hull FC
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Salford
SL
20:00
Leigh-Catalans
Sat 1st Mar
SL
14:30
Wakefield - St.Helens
SL
21:30
Wigan-Warrington
Sun 2nd Mar
SL
15:00
Leeds-Castleford
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
2s
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
hull2524
4118
3s
Game - Song Titles
Cokey
40950
30s
BORED The Band Name Game
karetaker
63448
39s
Rumours thread
BarnsleyGull
2591
43s
Film game
karetaker
6357
45s
Transfer chatter for 2025 - New Dec 1st tamper date
ComeOnYouUll
170
48s
Leigh Leopards Playing Squad 2025
Vancouver Le
13
1m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
leeds owl
2725
2m
Sports Personality of the Year
sally cinnam
25
4m
Pre-season
rugbyleague8
24
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Red Bull
rubber ducki
6
TODAY
Bulls TV
Wigan Bull
4
TODAY
Leigh Leopards Playing Squad 2025
Vancouver Le
13
TODAY
The Shay
Encouraged
7
TODAY
Wigan Warriors crowned Team of the Year at BBC Sports Personality Awards
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
BBC SPOTY Team of the year
muttywhitedo
11
TODAY
Pre Season Thread
Clickin'knee
15
TODAY
Trinity Heritage Podcast Quiz
PopTart
3
TODAY
New Shirts
Kick and cha
4
TODAY
Sizing on womens shirts
WillCherno
1
TODAY
Ben Lam Leaves Dragons
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
New Roles for HULL KR
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Questions regarding seeing a game at Bradford
Fr13daY
3
TODAY
Alec Tuitavake
Jack Gaskell
5
TODAY
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Jet2 has signed a major sponsorship deal with the Leigh Leopards for the 2025 Betfred Super League season
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Salford
Huddersfield
2
TODAY
ONeill
Father Ted
25
TODAY
Thirkill and Hood complete Hull FC takeover
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Why was our average crowd so poor compared to other clubs
Smiffy27
30
TODAY
NRL Expansion
Father Ted
11
TODAY
Pre-season
rugbyleague8
24
TODAY
Josh Thewlis extents deal
matt_wire
2
TODAY
Takeover
UllFC
35
TODAY
RIP Syd Hynes
LeedsLurch
10
TODAY
Small squad numbers
Chesterrhino
7
TODAY
Hopes and Dreams for a New Season
Jack Gaskell
15
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Wigan Warriors crowned Team of..
352
Ben Lam Leaves Dragons..
211
New Roles for HULL KR...
203
Jet2 has signed a major sponso..
320
Thirkill and Hood complete Hul..
328
Captains Challenge for Televis..
645
England Women Las Vegas train-..
831
Opening Championship and Leagu..
1015
2025 Betfred Super League Fixt..
2371
Magic Weekend 2025 - Back To N..
1399
England Beat Samoa To Take Tes..
1989
England's Women Demolish The W..
1824
England Beat Samoa Comfortably..
2068
Operational Rules Tribunal â..
1783
IMG-RFL club gradings released..
2049


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!