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Re: Round 15 | vs Leigh Leopards (H) : Wed Jun 26, 2024 9:24 am  
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Who would you replace / which positions?

Replace Goudemand, Frawley, Fus and Momirovski. I realise that it’s not that simple due to contractual obligations. Plus the pack needs strengthening so it’s not an overnight quick fix. Maybe make an effort to convert Momirovski into a winger. Nevertheless for the first time in years I am reasonably optimistic. More than happy to wait a couple of seasons to see a strong foundation set in place. Unlike the last few seasons when along with the majority on here, could see the ongoing shambles unfolding on a weekly basis. Smith was a snake oil salesman of the highest order.
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Re: Round 15 | vs Leigh Leopards (H) : Wed Jun 26, 2024 11:25 am  
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I can see Sinfield being a Harry Smith type.

For the sake of British RL I hope Sinfield Jr can do more than just kick a ball high.
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Re: Round 15 | vs Leigh Leopards (H) : Wed Jun 26, 2024 2:38 pm  
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I do love GH for all he's done at Leeds, and nights like the Rob Burrow tribute remind us all what a wonderful club he has had a huge part in building.

We used to sign players like Senior, Ellis, Peacock, Harris, Briscoe, McDermott etc. and every one of them you knew was a real player. Somewhere along the line we've lost the judgement and/or the ambition, and I just think it was high time for someone else to take over the direction of the rugby side.


Spot on Jim, it's quite stark isn't it when you look at that vs recent years.. we've looked to address that with Croft and Ackers no doubt but it's been hugely underwhelming more often than not. Hopefully Blease will change that
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Re: Round 15 | vs Leigh Leopards (H) : Wed Jun 26, 2024 2:58 pm  
To create a side similar to the best ones in the golden generation would be virtually impossible, due to the salary cap, plus the higher payments in the NRL. Not forgetting the higher salary cap in the British rugby union, who are also losing players to France due to the French having a higher salary cap. The main answer to this problem is spend your money sensibly and grow your own talent. Something we have failed to do over the last few years. Hopefully Blease will adress this situation, assuming hethrington supports him as I fear some difficult decisions may have to be taken.
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Re: Round 15 | vs Leigh Leopards (H) : Wed Jun 26, 2024 3:14 pm  
I think it is possible to assemble a side which costs more than the salary cap - but you have to have a good number of homegrown players and then spank it a bit on your marquees.
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Re: Round 15 | vs Leigh Leopards (H) : Wed Jun 26, 2024 4:28 pm  
KaeruJim wrote:
I think it is possible to assemble a side which costs more than the salary cap - but you have to have a good number of homegrown players and then spank it a bit on your marquees.

Not forgetting a bit of creative accounting. Which has gone on for years.
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Re: Round 15 | vs Leigh Leopards (H) : Wed Jun 26, 2024 4:28 pm  
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I think it is possible to assemble a side which costs more than the salary cap - but you have to have a good number of homegrown players and then spank it a bit on your marquees.
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Re: Round 15 | vs Leigh Leopards (H) : Wed Jun 26, 2024 4:29 pm  
[quote="KaeruJim"]I think it is possible to assemble a side which costs more than the salary cap - but you have to have a good number of homegrown players and then spank it a bit on your marquees.[
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Re: Round 15 | vs Leigh Leopards (H) : Wed Jun 26, 2024 11:55 pm  
I rewatched the Leigh game in cold blood last night. I agree with Kaeru that we lack quality, and our forwards are just outgunned as a set in terms of size (actually most noticeably in the back row against Leigh) but also aggression.

However, there were lots of occasions where our lack of line speed in defence was just awful. You can call it passive defence or any term you like, but there were multiple sets throughout the game where the line just stood still and watched Leigh play. This gifts easy yardage, and at times our defence would drift across following the ball, not pressuring playmakers at all. Its so static that even if they messed up a move Leigh could make 10 yards with a player getting the ball from a standing start. There were a couple of times where we also managed to leave huge gaps right up the middle as there was no urgency in players moving across to fill gaps as the defence moved to the other side following the ball.

Combine that with the lack of size and aggression in the tackle and we lose the collision a heck of a lot. It compounds - the defence is static, we lose the collision and the opposition get a quick PTB. Rinse and repeat. Good scrambling goal line defence saved us, but it's going to keep losing us games unless its fixed. We start sets further back than the opposition, who generally try hard to pin us back on our line with aggressive defence while we let them get away far too easily.

I'm not sure we have the personalities who can play a more aggressive defence, or whether its just lack of oomph, but some of those Leigh forwards were loving it. Be very interesting to see what a new coach would look to do, but for me addressing linespeed would be a major priority.
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Re: Round 15 | vs Leigh Leopards (H) : Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:58 am  
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I rewatched the Leigh game in cold blood last night. I agree with Kaeru that we lack quality, and our forwards are just outgunned as a set in terms of size (actually most noticeably in the back row against Leigh) but also aggression.

However, there were lots of occasions where our lack of line speed in defence was just awful. You can call it passive defence or any term you like, but there were multiple sets throughout the game where the line just stood still and watched Leigh play. This gifts easy yardage, and at times our defence would drift across following the ball, not pressuring playmakers at all. Its so static that even if they messed up a move Leigh could make 10 yards with a player getting the ball from a standing start. There were a couple of times where we also managed to leave huge gaps right up the middle as there was no urgency in players moving across to fill gaps as the defence moved to the other side following the ball.

Combine that with the lack of size and aggression in the tackle and we lose the collision a heck of a lot. It compounds - the defence is static, we lose the collision and the opposition get a quick PTB. Rinse and repeat. Good scrambling goal line defence saved us, but it's going to keep losing us games unless its fixed. We start sets further back than the opposition, who generally try hard to pin us back on our line with aggressive defence while we let them get away far too easily.

I'm not sure we have the personalities who can play a more aggressive defence, or whether its just lack of oomph, but some of those Leigh forwards were loving it. Be very interesting to see what a new coach would look to do, but for me addressing linespeed would be a major priority.

Excellent posting, I make no apologies for once again pointing out the devastation smith has caused . All this is entirely down to smith , the next incoming coach has an enormous job to sort out this mess.
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