: Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:46 am  

winwid1 wrote:

it was the Rugby League who made the rules, FRAMING THE FUTURE , new grounds was one of the citeria ,if it was Widnes with an old stadium instead of saints "we would have been kicked out".
We had to make cutbacks to pay for our stadium and the team suffered ,we even played games at canal st, what is happening at saints, happened at Widnes many years ago. NOW ALL THE TEAMS MUST MEET THE CRITERIA or move for a team that does.

If crusaders had won a grand final and gone up i for one would respect their position in super league, and finally your home games did you know? it takes two minutes less to get to Widnes along the M5 (3HRS 36MINS), than it does to wrexham(3HRS 38MINS) REF GOOGLE big mistake moving
the club needs to stay loyal and local to its fans!

The Framing the future document existed long before Celtic crusaders had ever been thought of , it is a guideline , not a set criteria , all it asks is that stadia are ' fit for purpose ' , If Brewery field was not up to relevant standard then the RFL should not have considered them for SL , nothing has changed in that repsect in the last 18 months

thats why you are talking Bollox

: Tue Nov 24, 2009 9:50 am  

Because it is. I am sure I read somewhere that there was a website on the subject of a new state of the art stadium near Bridgend. A couple of clubs were mentioned as being the ones to play out of it. Unfortunately the Crusaders were not one of them. So why move away from the south where this stadium is supposedly going to be built. The move north could be due Mr Samuels pulling out, having taken a seasons Sky money and half a million quid from selling the lease on Brewery field, along with spending very little on players (illegals are never paid very much). The guy is a shrewd businessman who seems to have taken the RFL for a ride.

: Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:08 am  

DemonUK wrote:

Because it is. I am sure I read somewhere that there was a website on the subject of a new state of the art stadium near Bridgend. A couple of clubs were mentioned as being the ones to play out of it. Unfortunately the Crusaders were not one of them. So why move away from the south where this stadium is supposedly going to be built. The move north could be due Mr Samuels pulling out, having taken a seasons Sky money and half a million quid from selling the lease on Brewery field, along with spending very little on players (illegals are never paid very much). The guy is a shrewd businessman who seems to have taken the RFL for a ride.

im sorry but are you being satirical? illegals are never paid very much? yeah mate they were on minimum wage, very insightful.

: Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:08 am  

Pete_Zatoppin wrote:

Trouble is the people in South Wales AREN'T 'killing themselves' for the sport of Rugby league.

Average attendences for Celtic Crusaders last season?

see tht thing whooshing past your head. that was a point you were missing.

: Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:11 am  

Hedgehog King wrote:

The deluded ones were the ones who just couldn't see any icebergs on the horizon. EVen when they were pointed out to them, they just ignored it as "flatcapper rants". The club has clearly hit not one but multiple icebergs and you still can't see them.



You really do need to be able to distinguish between discussing the likelyhood of Crusaders failing and wishing it so.

If I interpreted your last sentence through your standard "bitterness filter", I would accuse you of hoping that rugby league would fail.

Which of course it wouldn't. The loss of Crusaders would be a blow but the sport has survived and even grown despite the loss of more prestiguous expansion clubs.

i know some people are discussing this matter with a clear head and concern for a number of issues. jesus wept. but there is a hard core of tossers having orgasms. my comments re directed at them not everyody eing critical. jesus do i realy have to explain that blindingly obvious point.
as for not seeing problems what are you on about? i see them very clearly thanks.
league is in a difficult position, maybe even an impossible position. if you cant see that then you are blind.

: Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:12 am  

Starbug wrote:

Sorry not allowed , the highlighting of the Fulloncrusaderbronquins poor attendances is not allowed on these forums , you will immeidiatley retract or your ' flat cap ' will be in the post

stop whining. no one is stopping you saying anything. the victim card really doesnt suit you starbug.

: Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:13 am  

Starbug wrote:

What a load of bolloxs

I have little regard for the RFL and blame them for the Visa fiasco [ the club were just led along the garden path on that ] but the RFL are most definatley not to blame for this one

yeah whatever suits your agenda best eh starbug.

: Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:28 am  

jannerboyuk wrote:

im sorry but are you being satirical? illegals are never paid very much? yeah mate they were on minimum wage, very insightful.

No, they were picture framers who only played SL in their spare time for free.

: Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:28 am  

Open your eyes JBUK

: Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:32 am  

jannerboyuk wrote:

i know some people are discussing this matter with a clear head and concern for a number of issues. jesus wept. but there is a hard core of tossers having orgasms. my comments re directed at them not everyody eing critical. jesus do i realy have to explain that blindingly obvious point.
as for not seeing problems what are you on about? i see them very clearly thanks.

No, you didn't. You were adamant that anyone who predicted poor crowds, LS being unreliable with his cash or that Crusaders were likely to relocate and rename themselves was a flatcapper.

Yet they all happened.

league is in a difficult position, maybe even an impossible position. if you cant see that then you are blind.

Difficult - yes
Impossible - no

League survived the loss of Paris St Germain and even managed to keep growing despite this. No disrespect to the Bridgend / Newport area but Paris you are not.

If the worst comes to the worst and rugby league ceases to be a pro sport in Wales, the game will move on without Wales just as it moved on without Paris.