: Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:21 pm  

Pete_Zatoppin wrote:

Trouble is the people in South Wales AREN'T 'killing themselves' for the sport of Rugby league.

Average attendences for Celtic Crusaders last season?

Crusaders Average 3,668
Salford Average 4,467
Quins Average 3,436


Not bad considering the other two had twice as many home wins and over 120 better points difference.

Salford won 3 times as many away games and Quins 7 times as many.

I don't think our average was that bad to be honest. I expected around 4,000 but didn't expect the problems and so few wins.

: Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:33 pm  

crucrucrusaders wrote:

Crusaders Average 3,668
Salford Average 4,467
Quins Average 3,436


Not bad considering the other two had twice as many home wins and over 120 better points difference.

Salford won 3 times as many away games and Quins 7 times as many.

I don't think our average was that bad to be honest. I expected around 4,000 but didn't expect the problems and so few wins.

Sorry not allowed , the highlighting of the Fulloncrusaderbronquins poor attendances is not allowed on these forums , you will immeidiatley retract or your ' flat cap ' will be in the post

: Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:40 pm  

Hedgehog King wrote:

The deluded ones were the ones who just couldn't see any icebergs on the horizon. EVen when they were pointed out to them, they just ignored it as "flatcapper rants".

That is because they were flatcapper rants.

This crisis has been brought about by the RFL. It is the RFL who has insisted upon all SL clubs being based at supa doopa new stadia, even amidst the worst recession in aeons, and it is that which has driven Celtic out of Bridgend and upwards towards the north. This is not of their own making and personally I'm really sorry for the fans in southern Wales, I'm sorry that the RFL have been so incredibly stupid as to repeat history by undermining yet another expansion club and equally sorry that they have not the collective brains, imagination or humility to admit their stupidity, withdraw their insistence on new stadia, and allow Celtic to return to Bridgend and continue with the good work that was going on down there.

If I had the power I would obliterate the RFL in a flash and replace it with a professional sports organisation.

Grrr, this gets me mad.

: Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:50 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

That is because they were flatcapper rants.

This crisis has been brought about by the RFL. It is the RFL who has insisted upon all SL clubs being based at supa doopa new stadia, even amidst the worst recession in aeons, and it is that which has driven Celtic out of Bridgend and upwards towards the north. This is not of their own making and personally I'm really sorry for the fans in southern Wales, I'm sorry that the RFL have been so incredibly stupid as to repeat history by undermining yet another expansion club and equally sorry that they have not the collective brains, imagination or humility to admit their stupidity, withdraw their insistence on new stadia, and allow Celtic to return to Bridgend and continue with the good work that was going on down there.

If I had the power I would obliterate the RFL in a flash and replace it with a professional sports organisation.

Grrr, this gets me mad.

What a load of bolloxs

I have little regard for the RFL and blame them for the Visa fiasco [ the club were just led along the garden path on that ] but the RFL are most definatley not to blame for this one

: Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:00 pm  

Starbug, had the RFL not insisted upon new stadia being a criteria of the licence process and had they not continued to insist upon that - to the extent that they sent out threatening letters (oh, sorry, reminders) to those clubs with 'below standard' stadia only recently - in spite of being in the midst of the worst recession in ages and regardless of whatever else clubs are doing in their localities, the Crusaders would not have felt under pressure to leave Bridgend and therefore they would not be in their present predicament.

You tell me how that is bollox?

: Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:15 pm  

I still can't see us playing primarily out of North Wales as the only chance we have is down here. If we do we'll be cutting our own throats. I hope the RFL can see this even if we want to do it.

If we stay down here and have a couple of years of stability off the field and what I think will be progression on the field with the coaching set up then the sky's the limit. All we want is a boring season off the field where we stay out of the headlines for all the wrong reasons. Fingers crossed as I think if we can ride out these first few difficult years there is a big future for rugby league down here.

: Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:39 pm  

it was the Rugby League who made the rules, FRAMING THE FUTURE , new grounds was one of the citeria ,if it was Widnes with an old stadium instead of saints "we would have been kicked out".
We had to make cutbacks to pay for our stadium and the team suffered ,we even played games at canal st, what is happening at saints, happened at Widnes many years ago. NOW ALL THE TEAMS MUST MEET THE CRITERIA or move for a team that does.

If crusaders had won a grand final and gone up i for one would respect their position in super league, and finally your home games did you know? it takes two minutes less to get to Widnes along the M5 (3HRS 36MINS), than it does to wrexham(3HRS 38MINS) REF GOOGLE big mistake moving
the club needs to stay loyal and local to its fans!

: Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:17 pm  

winwid1 wrote:

it was the Rugby League who made the rules, FRAMING THE FUTURE , new grounds was one of the citeria ,if it was Widnes with an old stadium instead of saints "we would have been kicked out".
We had to make cutbacks to pay for our stadium and the team suffered ,we even played games at canal st, what is happening at saints, happened at Widnes many years ago. NOW ALL THE TEAMS MUST MEET THE CRITERIA or move for a team that does.

If crusaders had won a grand final and gone up i for one would respect their position in super league, and finally your home games did you know? it takes two minutes less to get to Widnes along the M5 (3HRS 36MINS), than it does to wrexham(3HRS 38MINS) REF GOOGLE big mistake moving
the club needs to stay loyal and local to its fans!

Totally agree. This is the reason I believe the RFL will not allow any move if it is any way near permanent.

Widnes will be in next time I'm sure of it. We've got off the mark now, not the best season by any stretch of the imagination, but we're off the mark with regards to Super League and if we stay in South Wales I think we can make a success of it. I just hope we don't move to Wrexham in any great capacity as it will be the beginning of the end. The fan base, although small this will grow with time, is in South Wales as is the majority of the young rugby playing talent.

: Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:53 am  

I am pleased someone has chequed how long it takes to get to Wrexham and the fact other RL clubs can be reached faster from S Wales. I have said this many times but there appears to be a body of people who appear to think it is nothing travelling to the north.
When the Wales RU reorganised into areas, it was proposed that Llanelli would also have N Wales and play matches there. That has gone in that Llanelli have only played one game in N Wales, and with their current financial position I cannot at the present time see another game being played there in the near future.
Money is a major factor, and sadly at present their appears to be more in N Wales, and certainly current northern RL players are more willing to play for a side not too far from the heartlands of the game.
In the south another year or two we shall have local players who will be able to compete at the games top level, and with the massive programme going on at junior level it would be a disaster to leave S Wales completely.

: Tue Nov 24, 2009 2:32 am  

SaintsFan wrote:

That is because they were flatcapper rants.

This crisis has been brought about by the RFL. It is the RFL who has insisted upon all SL clubs being based at supa doopa new stadia, even amidst the worst recession in aeons, and it is that which has driven Celtic out of Bridgend and upwards towards the north. This is not of their own making and personally I'm really sorry for the fans in southern Wales, I'm sorry that the RFL have been so incredibly stupid as to repeat history by undermining yet another expansion club and equally sorry that they have not the collective brains, imagination or humility to admit their stupidity, withdraw their insistence on new stadia, and allow Celtic to return to Bridgend and continue with the good work that was going on down there.

If I had the power I would obliterate the RFL in a flash and replace it with a professional sports organisation.

Grrr, this gets me mad.

Nonsense. Utter nonsense. The RFL has consistently supported and encouraged the growth of Celtic Crusaders. Many will agree that Super League for such a young outfit was a risk that they were rightly or wrongly willing to take for them in the first place. The RFL are the reason CC has had it's chance at the top flight. The Millennium Magic was also partially designed to drum up interest in South Wales. It is something the RFL wants. To blame them for the recent fiasco's is very misguided. I would blame them for putting them in before they were ready but thats another matter. They've been veritable cheerleaders.