BARLA Statement - issued this week : Thu Mar 31, 2011 10:37 am  

For those of you who have management that forward only items from one organisation....thought you might be interested in seeing this which was distributed earlier this week
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“What can BARLA do for you“

BARLA is a pivotal organisation whose forward thinking has been essential to the growth of Rugby League Football all around the world.

BARLA, in the early 1980’s, were the think tank that brought you the National Development Scheme and The National Coaching Scheme. Both schemes were highly successful and remain, although renamed, essential to today’s continued growth and development. We also became the first organisation to Offer international tours to the “Amateur Player” and still promote the same today.

BARLA offers top quality cup competitions in heartland counties as well as the National Cup competition which still holds the world record of attracting 221 teams for a rugby competition from either code. This has always been regarded as the best competition that any amateur team or player can win.

BARLA has always provided, and will continue to offer, a high quality insurance policy as well as an independent arbitration body should matters need addressing.

In 1973, and with the 13 a side code in decline, BARLA was formed. The RFL was controlled by thirty professional clubs and the amateurs hadn’t any say or vote in their own destiny. Ironically in 2010, and after the majority of BARLA’s responsibilities have - through unification - been handed to the RFL, the 13 a side code is once again in serious decline and the amateurs are losing their right to control their destinies, BARLA are once again ready to rise to the challenge to secure our sports future.

When you look at modern day Amateur Rugby League everything you see is the direct result of BARLA’s passion to promote and grow Rugby League. We recognise Grassroots rugby as the essential part of that growth and we will promote the ethos of “Rugby for All”, rather than the “rugby for the elite”. We strive to maintain our current league base and represent all clubs with amateur status. Whilst maintaining our strong national cup competitions it is our aim to develop new and existing competitions which will encompass all amateur players nationally

Re: BARLA Statement - issued this week : Thu Mar 31, 2011 11:57 am  

stivey wrote:

For those of you who have management that forward only items from one organisation....thought you might be interested in seeing this which was distributed earlier this week
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“What can BARLA do for you“

BARLA is a pivotal organisation whose forward thinking has been essential to the growth of Rugby League Football all around the world.

BARLA, in the early 1980’s, were the think tank that brought you the National Development Scheme and The National Coaching Scheme. Both schemes were highly successful and remain, although renamed, essential to today’s continued growth and development. We also became the first organisation to Offer international tours to the “Amateur Player” and still promote the same today.

BARLA offers top quality cup competitions in heartland counties as well as the National Cup competition which still holds the world record of attracting 221 teams for a rugby competition from either code. This has always been regarded as the best competition that any amateur team or player can win.

BARLA has always provided, and will continue to offer, a high quality insurance policy as well as an independent arbitration body should matters need addressing.

In 1973, and with the 13 a side code in decline, BARLA was formed. The RFL was controlled by thirty professional clubs and the amateurs hadn’t any say or vote in their own destiny. Ironically in 2010, and after the majority of BARLA’s responsibilities have - through unification - been handed to the RFL, the 13 a side code is once again in serious decline and the amateurs are losing their right to control their destinies, BARLA are once again ready to rise to the challenge to secure our sports future.

When you look at modern day Amateur Rugby League everything you see is the direct result of BARLA’s passion to promote and grow Rugby League. We recognise Grassroots rugby as the essential part of that growth and we will promote the ethos of “Rugby for All”, rather than the “rugby for the elite”. We strive to maintain our current league base and represent all clubs with amateur status. Whilst maintaining our strong national cup competitions it is our aim to develop new and existing competitions which will encompass all amateur players nationally

That's great, but until BARLA can help us find winter floodlit training facilities and do something about the games lost each year to the weather (6 for us this year, more in previous years), and help us find RL players in an area dominated by football and RU, a shift to summer is our best option.

It's not particularly that people want to move away from BARLA. It's that they want to move to great (and free) training conditions, very few weather postponements and a boost in numbers as lads from other sports join the club.

Re: BARLA Statement - issued this week : Thu Mar 31, 2011 12:32 pm  

Perhaps if instead of throwing hundreds of thousands of pounds at RFL "community" staff wages the money had instead been invested through BARLA into the infrastructure of the Amateur game you might have already found winter floodlit training.

I agree it's not particularly that people want to move away from BARLA - but I'd go so far as to say there are people within organisations that DO want you to though.

The training conditions might be better (though I doubt free in all cases) - what worries me is that there is no proof that numbers will boost especially when married with the rules and conditions the RFL want to bring in.

I think BARLA's point of "promoting the ethos of Rugby for All" and not "for the elite" is well made and will come back to haunt the gameas it gradually is forced to move to summer (whether you like it or not) - you only have to look at the latest directive (sorry info bulletin) from the NCL management - it reads like a bribe of £4,700 per club to move to summer - that money should be distributed properly in the game not just used to target each area as and when they need them to switch.

Re: BARLA Statement - issued this week : Thu Mar 31, 2011 1:08 pm  

stivey wrote:

Perhaps if instead of throwing hundreds of thousands of pounds at RFL "community" staff wages the money had instead been invested through BARLA into the infrastructure of the Amateur game you might have already found winter floodlit training.

I agree it's not particularly that people want to move away from BARLA - but I'd go so far as to say there are people within organisations that DO want you to though.

The training conditions might be better (though I doubt free in all cases) - what worries me is that there is no proof that numbers will boost especially when married with the rules and conditions the RFL want to bring in.

I think BARLA's point of "promoting the ethos of Rugby for All" and not "for the elite" is well made and will come back to haunt the gameas it gradually is forced to move to summer (whether you like it or not) - you only have to look at the latest directive (sorry info bulletin) from the NCL management - it reads like a bribe of £4,700 per club to move to summer - that money should be distributed properly in the game not just used to target each area as and when they need them to switch.

The money secured by the RFL was revenue and not capital. It was also targeted at participation. These would have been aligned to the funding providers targets and what teh RFL did (very well) was design its programme of activities in such a way as to draw down funds. It is naive to make the statement above.

BARLA may have been promoting the ethos of the game but they simply havent delivered what was required to get new clubs and increased participation off the ground. the BARLA leagues are not conducive to starting up new clubs / attracting new players.

Re: BARLA Statement - issued this week : Thu Mar 31, 2011 2:17 pm  

Which bit was naive?

Was the money secured by the RFL extra funding or what would have been handed to BARLA if unification had not taken place? I think if those formerly employed by BARLA (now ironicaly being employed by the RFL) had still been with BARLA, then similar funding would still have been received, only by BARLA and perhaps not the RFL.

Is the RFL not simply the receiver these days of the funding and dictates what goes where and to who depending on, as you correctly state, their particular targets (read interests)?

I think this is where perhaps you are being naive, as it's clear that funding is being directed in such a manner as to woo particular groups one at a time (see the latest from the NCL) and not necessarily for the good of the game in general.

I think if you look around, there are new clubs in the BARLA leagues, to make such a sweeping statement to the contrary is at best ill thought out and worse possibly lazy and inaccurate.

Re: BARLA Statement - issued this week : Thu Mar 31, 2011 2:30 pm  

stivey wrote:

Which bit was naive?

Was the money secured by the RFL extra funding or what would have been handed to BARLA if unification had not taken place? I think if those formerly employed by BARLA (now ironicaly being employed by the RFL) had still been with BARLA, then similar funding would still have been received, only by BARLA and perhaps not the RFL.

Is the RFL not simply the receiver these days of the funding and disctates what goes where and to who depending on, as you correctly state, their particular targets (read interests)?

I think this is where perhaps you are being naive, as it's clear that funding is being directed in such a manner as to woo particular groups one at a time (see the latest from the NCL) and not necessarily for the good of the game in general.

I think if you look around, there are new clubs in the BARLA leagues, to make such a sweeping statement to the contrary is at best ill thought out and worse possibly lazy and inaccurate.

the naivity is that the funder is Sport England who have targets etc. and they give out the funding based on the recipients ability to deliver against those targets. the money from Sport England has to be bidded for - it wasnt allocated to rugby league but simply to 'sport' and the RFL bid against many otehr sports for its share. to think that BARLA would have just been 'given it' is simply wrong. and to say that 'the RFL is just the receiver' shows that naivety. The RFL bid for Sport England funds to fund a 3 year programme of activity to increase participation (which Sport England has set for it as a target by DCMS). The RFL bid was was successful in securing teh highest amount of funding into RL from Government ever and the RFL will be held to account to spend the money the way they said they would when they secured it.

so, to answer the specific points:

1. No, the funding would not have gone to to BARLA

2. No, the RFL does not have the flexibility to spend money on anything it wants. It spends it on what it was funded to spend the money on by Sport England. As the funding was revenue, it could not be spent on capital facilities (which you said BARLA would have done in the earlier post).

and i set up a new club in a BARLA league. not easy and not helped by BARLA. and i've seen plenty of new clubs go to the wall - not helped by BARLA.

Re: BARLA Statement - issued this week : Thu Mar 31, 2011 3:58 pm  

stivey wrote:

Perhaps if instead of throwing hundreds of thousands of pounds at RFL "community" staff wages the money had instead been invested through BARLA into the infrastructure of the Amateur game you might have already found winter floodlit training.

I agree it's not particularly that people want to move away from BARLA - but I'd go so far as to say there are people within organisations that DO want you to though.

The training conditions might be better (though I doubt free in all cases) - what worries me is that there is no proof that numbers will boost especially when married with the rules and conditions the RFL want to bring in.

I think BARLA's point of "promoting the ethos of Rugby for All" and not "for the elite" is well made and will come back to haunt the gameas it gradually is forced to move to summer (whether you like it or not) - you only have to look at the latest directive (sorry info bulletin) from the NCL management - it reads like a bribe of £4,700 per club to move to summer - that money should be distributed properly in the game not just used to target each area as and when they need them to switch.

BARLA have done precisely naff all to help us establish our club in a football/RU area. We've struggled to find players, we've struggled to find training facilities and we've struggled to find a pitch.

Bury Council own a superb facility: home to Bury RU and cricket - but they won't entertain us. The council have told us they won't convert ANY of the dozens of football pitches into a RL pitch as they're all booked up. There are very few floodlit areas and we can't use any of the grass ones.

Meanwhile, those RFL staff you complain about have gone into the local schools and started working hard. Directly on the back of this, the school which acts as our current home ground kicked out Sedgley Tigers (a major RU club) in favour of the RFL programme. Also as a direct result (and mmp's hard work), they agreed to let us mark out a pitch (we still had to raise the money to buy the posts ourselves) and move in. There are also local school teams now popping up. We're even looking at playing double-headers this year: U-15s followed by open age.

I've seen more development and work from the RFL in the last 2 years than I've EVER seen from BARLA. I'm not anti-BARLA by any means, in fact I'd love them to be a success, but I'm simply looking at what's happening.

As for numbers - in the last few weeks I've had direct contact with RU, football and even badminton lads who are interested in joining us for the summer.

And any team, if desperate, can find 'free' training facilities in the summer. They just need a decent field.

Re: BARLA Statement - issued this week : Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:05 pm  

You make it sound like BARLA has to find its own funding and is not entitled to a share of the Sport England money - sorry but obtaining that responsibility lies with the RFL who bid for the community game. If the responsibility was still with BARLA I might agree with you - but it's not.

Check out the sports whole plan on the Sport England website - its not an RFL plan that Sport England are funding but a GAME plan....that includes the RFL, BARLA and whatever you yourself are in RL terms.

The 3 year programme you mention to increase participation - is that in Rugby League or all its derivitives and do players taking part in say winter AND summer count as two - like those currently playing in youth and university? Statistics are a wonderful tool for manipulating a picture. I struggle to see how will offering each NCL club short of £5K to switch to summer will increase participation?

I hope you are right about the RFL's lack of flexibility otherwise it seems a pretty one way street at the moment....no doubt the same offering will be made to those NCL clubs who decide to stay in winter under a BARLA banner - otherwise it might be suggested the money is simply being used as an enticement to switch and move away from an organisation.

So you've seen plenty of new clubs go to the wall - well not sure what the relevance of that statement is because the RFL have openly said that clubs who cannot switch are - well - expected casualties of the switch - is that the RFL being helpful?

I think a few more clubs will go to the wall before all this is settled, still with the right shaped calculator no doubt it will appear as a growth.

Re: BARLA Statement - issued this week : Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:09 pm  

Cronus wrote:

BARLA have done precisely naff all to help us establish our club in a football/RU area. We've struggled to find players, we've struggled to find training facilities and we've struggled to find a pitch.

Bury Council own a superb facility: home to Bury RU and cricket - but they won't entertain us. The council have told us they won't convert ANY of the dozens of football pitches into a RL pitch as they're all booked up. There are very few floodlit areas and we can't use any of the grass ones.

Meanwhile, those RFL staff you complain about have gone into the local schools and started working hard. Directly on the back of this, the school which acts as our current home ground kicked out Sedgley Tigers (a major RU club) in favour of the RFL programme. Also as a direct result (and mmp's hard work), they agreed to let us mark out a pitch (we still had to raise the money to buy the posts ourselves) and move in. There are also local school teams now popping up. We're even looking at playing double-headers this year: U-15s followed by open age.

I've seen more development and work from the RFL in the last 2 years than I've EVER seen from BARLA. I'm not anti-BARLA by any means, in fact I'd love them to be a success, but I'm simply looking at what's happening.

As for numbers - in the last few weeks I've had direct contact with RU, football and even badminton lads who are interested in joining us for the summer.

And any team, if desperate, can find 'free' training facilities in the summer. They just need a decent field.

Sounds like you have a problematic council....only the people of Bury can put that right.

I'm not COMPLAINING about the RFL staff, though I do question the value for money they provide.

Ask yourself the question if you received their wages instead, what could you as a club could have built yourselves year on year going forward?

Re: BARLA Statement - issued this week : Mon Apr 04, 2011 9:14 am  

stivey wrote:

Sounds like you have a problematic council....only the people of Bury can put that right.

I'm not COMPLAINING about the RFL staff, though I do question the value for money they provide.

Ask yourself the question if you received their wages instead, what could you as a club could have built yourselves year on year going forward?

We are outside the heartlands and when I contacted BARLA originally to help start up a league they simply weren't interested and passed me to the RFL.

Since then I've had fantastic support from the full time staff at the RFL and we have a part time community coach who is generating more players than we can handle given our volunteer base. If we had been "given" the money by the RFL, we would have to have hired a community coach anyway, and figured out how to employ them, managed their time etc. Everyone at the club works for a living and we simply don't have enough free time.

Like Bury, we also have difficulties with facilities. Union clubs use you when they want money from you but aren't really interested and get aggressive if they see you as a threat. Councils have barely heard of rugby league and it takes a long time to persuade them to consider sports other than football, even though we have, in just 3 years, generated players who have represented England Community Lions, signed professional forms and signed on to academy and scholarship.

The money from Sport England has very specific objectives, and if we want to see anything like that money again, we have to do what SE, and ultimately the government, say. It looks like the funding post Olympics is going to be targeted at 16-19 year olds. We have to start gearing up for that now, so that we can present a credible case when competing against other sports who also have full time governing bodies.