Whats the way forward ? : Tue Jan 25, 2011 1:48 pm  

Having read this forum for months there seems to be many posters from a lot of different clubs use it. I was having a conversation about the health of the amature game over the last couple of years and it came about that we realised that the pasion for the game is still there. However with the amout of games been called off this year due to the weather and teams giving 18-0 is it time to move to summer rugby. I know people will say hard pitches but is there any other reasons not to.
One of the plus points mentioned would be training in the light (clubs could save money from not having to pay for indoor training) and then winter training could be sat/sun afternoon.
Just wondered what your thoughts are.

Re: Whats the way forward ? : Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:00 pm  

From a team management and coaching perspective - summer is the only way forward. We only formed 3 years ago and have struggled to attract new players in a non-RL area, and struggled to find facilities - especially winter training facilities.

Yet, during the summer we can train in great conditions, players are happy to train for longer, and we've got all sorts coming down - footballers, RU lads, friends of existing players, etc. Unfortunately, they (and other 'fair weather' players) are the ones who drift off when the clocks change and training is either a mudbath or on astroturf, and always cold, wet and grim.

And it goes without saying there would be far fewer weather postponements.

Our club sec, mmp, would be better than me to go into the runnings of the club - but I'm fairly sure he's keen on summer rugby and as far as I'm aware there are bigger steps in that direction for 2011/12.

Re: Whats the way forward ? : Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:37 pm  

Winter training can be non existant. We cant train on the pitches, as if we do, they rip up and give the game on the saturday more chance of being postponed. This means we have to pay to go to an indoor venue, which costs the club and players (more subs) at a time where the country is in recession.

Summer rugby is the way forward, hard pitches???? Surely someone can get the hosepipe out for 20 mins a couple of hours before a game.

Summers the way forward. Im sick of Postponements, lack of numbers training and running round in -5 degrees.

So summer has hard pitches, in winter training its that cold you seize up (when doing game plan standing around etc) and end up pulling muscles etc.

If the pro's can do it in summer who hit eachother harder and slam opponents down harder, then im sure us amateurs can do it. Id take that risk any day.

Re: Whats the way forward ? : Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:40 pm  

My gut feeling is that we will end up with two competitions - one in summer, one in winter and that the winter comp will be smaller than it is currently as some clubs switch and make the summer comp larger.

BUT it will all be dependant on a given clubs own circumstances and not a mass switch as the RFL seems to think might happen, and that BARLA seem to think definately will not. Individual clubs will weigh up the benefits of each option, their players will too, and you'll end up with a new structure. It'll be clubs (and their players), and not leagues, BARLA or teh RFL that will make decisions and determine the future.

At the minute, the summer comp is squeezing itself into too few a number of months so not clash with the winter leagues which limits the number of sides per division to just 6 roughly - at some point the summer comp will need to bite the bullet and extend its overall duration (and number of clubs) and at that point, clubs will have decisions to make.

My personal view is that if you are a new club, you've much greater flexibility to think about switching. You are not going to 'lose' a place in an NWC Division that it took you 30 years to build for example and you've probably got more flxibility in how you are run to enable you to switch. If you're an older club, you've invested a lot of effort to get to NWC Prem, or 1, or 2, or 3 and your whole infrastructure is probably built around playing in winter anyway so why would you switch? You'd have already solved the floodlit training issues you face or any other barrier that makes winter play diffiicult for example whereas a new club, still trying to solve that problem might just think that summer makes sense.

However, my big annoyance is the current RFL consultation approach. They have consulted with players but not clubs. They need to ask club administrators about the practicality of switching if they are serious about encouraging lots of sides to move to summer. For example, I would need to ask the school we play at and the cricket club we use for after game food before i could definately say that yes, we could switch. But the RFL havent bothered asking about that and seem to assume that clubs can just take the necessary steps based on having aksed players what they prefer. I'm pro-summer - but i need to check its viable before committing.

Re: Whats the way forward ? : Tue Jan 25, 2011 6:32 pm  

We have played in the Summer foer 3 seasons now, we havent come accross a pitch that has been closed due to being too hard, yes we have played on some dust bowls but they are playable and no serious injuries have been reported.

We are able to train on our home pitch or alternative pitches in day light without the cost to hire indoor or all weather pitches.

I can only see that if we want to develop the game at grass roots level than it has to be in the Summer.

Re: Whats the way forward ? : Tue Jan 25, 2011 8:19 pm  

If there is a switch to summer a short season could quickly become a neccessity as councils make their pitches soccer for the winter and then changing the posts for a short RL season. will give them extra income stream and the possibility of selling off playing fields.

Re: Whats the way forward ? : Tue Jan 25, 2011 9:20 pm  

bobm wrote:

If there is a switch to summer a short season could quickly become a neccessity as councils make their pitches soccer for the winter and then changing the posts for a short RL season. will give them extra income stream and the possibility of selling off playing fields.

The smart councils will get the dual purpose posts. Soccer goals with the uprights on top.

Pitches that belong to clubs and don't get used in the winter will not be rutted when we get into spring and summer and won't be bare of grass either.

It's a no brainer in my personal opinion, especially for the junior game. At the risk of generalising, the only few people I've spoken to about a potential change (and I've spoken to a lot, believe me) who thought that we should stay as we are have been over 65, without exception.

Re: Whats the way forward ? : Wed Jan 26, 2011 8:22 pm  

Personally for me (Burtonwood) Summer Rugby is the only way forward, over the last 3 years the number of games that have been called due to the frozen pitches and weather has been stupid.

Not only that, but money, no clubs contribute to Rugby to make money, but clubs are losing money hand over fist due to having to to make alternative arrangements for training and then not been able to collect subs at the weekend due to no games been on!!

For me personally, summer rugby is the only way forward, as someone quite rightly says above, training in lighter summer months will make things a million times easier, and I think more enjoyable, now I'm not having a go at Higginshaw but I've played rugby for 22 years and 2 weeks ago at Higginshaw, I played in the worst ever conditions, I have ever played in, horizontal Rain, the pitch was a mud bath, the wind was howling and I for one hope that no one ever has to play in those kind of conditions again!!!

So summer rugby all the way for me.

Re: Whats the way forward ? : Wed Jan 26, 2011 8:49 pm  

didn't they play part of the season in the ncl in the summer to see how things went(not to sure about this but can remember someone said widnes st maries played in some games). Just wondering if this was correct how was the responce to it.

Re: Whats the way forward ? : Wed Jan 26, 2011 9:07 pm  

newman wrote:

didn't they play part of the season in the ncl in the summer to see how things went(not to sure about this but can remember someone said widnes st maries played in some games). Just wondering if this was correct how was the responce to it.

West Bank had a go in the summer league lass year i think mate.

I think MMP is bang on, couldnt have put it better myself.