Re: Constantine Mika : Thu Oct 13, 2011 6:34 pm  

Jake the Peg wrote:

All very good but my point is that roopy claims there are players in reserve grade in the NRL who would "rip it up" when there are plenty of regular 1st graders come over and don't "rip it up". Now the aussies may have plenty of good players but surely the best ones play in the 1st grade?

That's more to do with the Australian attitude towards SL, they think it's poop.

Re: Constantine Mika : Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:41 pm  

Sheldon wrote:

That's more to do with the Australian attitude towards SL, they think it's poop.

The Aussies think anything "Pommie" is poop.

[Mild Rover]

Re: Constantine Mika : Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:59 pm  

Jake the Peg wrote: All very good but my point is that roopy claims there are players in reserve grade in the NRL who would "rip it up" when there are plenty of regular 1st graders come over and don't "rip it up". Now the aussies may have plenty of good players but surely the best ones play in the 1st grade? 'Rip it up' might be pushing it, I agree. Aussies use generous euphemisms though. 'Average' actually means 'cack' there. Maybe 'rip it up', would be 'does awright fer a fat lad' in Hull. edit - mind you, what does 'poop' mean then? 2nd edit - is it time to admit it... http://www.cfl.ca/ 'This is our league' is the CFL motto. Like it's rubbish, but it's our rubbish.

Jake the Peg wrote: All very good but my point is that roopy claims there are players in reserve grade in the NRL who would "rip it up" when there are plenty of regular 1st graders come over and don't "rip it up". Now the aussies may have plenty of good players but surely the best ones play in the 1st grade? 'Rip it up' might be pushing it, I agree. Aussies use generous euphemisms though. 'Average' actually means 'cack' there. Maybe 'rip it up', would be 'does awright fer a fat lad' in Hull. edit - mind you, what does 'poop' mean then? 2nd edit - is it time to admit it... http://www.cfl.ca/ 'This is our league' is the CFL motto. Like it's rubbish, but it's our rubbish.

Re: Constantine Mika : Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:56 pm  

Here's a tip - if a guy has played 100 NRL games and can't get another NRL contract, it's because he is finished.

Watching ESL games, you constantly see players you thought were finished 3, 4 or even 5 years ago running around still.

That's what's wrong with the ESL - it's full of old has beens who drag down the standard of the comp.

The under 20s comp in Australia has been going for four years, and each year it turns out more and more players who have trained as near fulltime pros for a few years, and only about 50 of around 200 players who turn 20 each year get a senior contract.

I reckon that leaves up to another 50 who could slip right into an ESL side, and a good percentage of them could improve to be stars of the game.

The system you use of signing guys who are finished as players of NRL standard is what is dragging your comp down. If you wanted to change the system, you could find any number of young and talented players in Australia who are the equal of guys like Dobson and Dureau, but you could just train up your own guys. Over-the-hill players is the problem.

Re: Constantine Mika : Fri Oct 14, 2011 12:30 am  

Or we could use players from our own U20's comp?

Re: Constantine Mika : Fri Oct 14, 2011 5:37 am  

roopy wrote:

Here's a tip - if a guy has played 100 NRL games and can't get another NRL contract, it's because he is finished.

Watching ESL games, you constantly see players you thought were finished 3, 4 or even 5 years ago running around still.

That's what's wrong with the ESL - it's full of old has beens who drag down the standard of the comp.

The under 20s comp in Australia has been going for four years, and each year it turns out more and more players who have trained as near fulltime pros for a few years, and only about 50 of around 200 players who turn 20 each year get a senior contract.

I reckon that leaves up to another 50 who could slip right into an ESL side, and a good percentage of them could improve to be stars of the game.

The system you use of signing guys who are finished as players of NRL standard is what is dragging your comp down. If you wanted to change the system, you could find any number of young and talented players in Australia who are the equal of guys like Dobson and Dureau, but you could just train up your own guys. Over-the-hill players is the problem.

We have had some real success with these so called 'over the hill' players e.g. Galea, turned out to be one hell of an all round player. TBF we dont really know what we are going to get when we bring players over if thats young, experienced or palyers with a massive amount of honours. Just compare players like Berrigan and Vowles!

Re: Constantine Mika : Fri Oct 14, 2011 6:44 am  

Rupert Pupkin wrote:

We have had some real success with these so called 'over the hill' players e.g. Galea, turned out to be one hell of an all round player. TBF we dont really know what we are going to get when we bring players over if thats young, experienced or palyers with a massive amount of honours. Just compare players like Berrigan and Vowles!

To a lessor degree, it's the same in the NRL. You never know if a 'mercenary' will be any good.
One rule is never buy a player from Melbourne - they will always go backwards rapidly.
Up till now you can always buy players from Newcastle because they just about always kick on to be better players after leaving us (Kade Snowden, George Carmont, Scott Dureau, Luke Walsh, Greg Bird, Clint Newton - nearly everyone we release gets better), but i'm thinking that will change now that we will be the best trained and resourced team.

Other good teams to buy players from are Saints, Penrith, Warriors and Brisbane - all the sides that produce far more juniors than they can use. The worst to buy players from are Melbourne, Roosters, Manly etc - the mercenary clubs - they only release crap.

Re: Constantine Mika : Fri Oct 14, 2011 6:49 am  

roopy wrote:

Here's a tip - if a guy has played 100 NRL games and can't get another NRL contract, it's because he is finished.

Watching ESL games, you constantly see players you thought were finished 3, 4 or even 5 years ago running around still.

That's what's wrong with the ESL - it's full of old has beens who drag down the standard of the comp.

The under 20s comp in Australia has been going for four years, and each year it turns out more and more players who have trained as near fulltime pros for a few years, and only about 50 of around 200 players who turn 20 each year get a senior contract.

I reckon that leaves up to another 50 who could slip right into an ESL side, and a good percentage of them could improve to be stars of the game.

The system you use of signing guys who are finished as players of NRL standard is what is dragging your comp down. If you wanted to change the system, you could find any number of young and talented players in Australia who are the equal of guys like Dobson and Dureau, but you could just train up your own guys. Over-the-hill players is the problem.

There are also a few old average NRL palyers who are poor in SL and then go back and get a game in first grade.

Again you don't know enough about SL to coment about it's standard, there are a few Sl teams that would beat Newcastle IMO, but your saying players that can't get into the Newcastle team will "rip it up" it SL.

I'm glad your not in charge of recruitmrnt for my team as you you would have us signing players of the calibre of Ah Van and Herbert.

Re: Constantine Mika : Fri Oct 14, 2011 6:52 am  

I'm sure roopy that we signed Clinton from storm I'm probably wrong I normally am, so if we can get these two players on board for next season u reckon
They can rip up super league for us, I really like sandercock to seems to have his head screwed on and knows what he's on about hopefully exciting times ahead for us.

Re: Constantine Mika : Fri Oct 14, 2011 7:02 am  

roopy wrote:

To a lessor degree, it's the same in the NRL. You never know if a 'mercenary' will be any good.
One rule is never buy a player from Melbourne - they will always go backwards rapidly.
Up till now you can always buy players from Newcastle because they just about always kick on to be better players after leaving us (Kade Snowden, George Carmont, Scott Dureau, Luke Walsh, Greg Bird, Clint Newton - nearly everyone we release gets better), but i'm thinking that will change now that we will be the best trained and resourced team.

Other good teams to buy players from are Saints, Penrith, Warriors and Brisbane - all the sides that produce far more juniors than they can use. The worst to buy players from are Melbourne, Roosters, Manly etc - the mercenary clubs - they only release crap.

You mean like Clint Newton?