Re: jamie peacock : Wed May 10, 2017 11:55 am  

This thread is so 2016.

Peacock tried his best when he donned the red stripe, but by then the team had got itself into a mess that a single player alone couldn't fix.

That stated, regardless of the entire awful season, two games at the end each lost by a single point, were the reason we got relegated. You could go further and say the coin toss in the MPG won it. If we'd won the toss, we would have tried to drive up the field like Salford and drop the goal like they did. Unless you get lucky, there's little you can do to stop a team that does that.

As I said, this is so 2016. The 2017 squad is playing in a more unified way. Will it be enough? Who knows, but in my opinion, both Hudds and Widnes are there for the taking.

Re: jamie peacock : Wed May 10, 2017 1:37 pm  

Dave K. wrote:

I'm not worried, whatever he is doing he should be applauded, as a Hull fan he seems to be doing a great job. Let's hope this continues.

you know so much about rugby league you could become the new eddie waring

[Mild Rover]

Re: jamie peacock : Wed May 10, 2017 2:24 pm  

Sandro II Terrorista wrote:

He actually played well, definitely contributed and was not the reason for our demise.

I personally always admired him throughout his career, I remember many times standing on the west terrace (at Leeds as HKR fan) watching him walking back to the goal line and him getting a barracking from our fans after Leeds had scored and you could see he was a proper warrior, he'd look up and no one was going over that barrier to challenge him.

None were going to and it was all good natured stuff and I'm definitely not saying that Peacock was ever likely to do a Cantona, but for anyone to criticise him for playing last season when he was in a part time job at Rover's for crossing the whitewash is wrong. Just wrong.

My only complaint is that we gave a warrior what, at least in part, is a vizier's role.

barham red wrote:

There was very little down to luck, the die was set before a ball was kicked,

Running with an extremely small squad (numbers) even though we had major injury concerns from the off
The retention of Campese and his unwillingness to admit he was shot.
The decision to put Lunt under the knife the week before the season kicked off
The unwillingness to see the obvious deficiencies in our pack
The ridiculous preseason that didn’t involve training or match preparation

Now how many of these can be laid at the door of Peacock and how many lie with others (Chester, Hudgell & Crossland) we’ll never truly know but It became evident that all we lacked any direction or leadership on the pitch and that in the end killed us.

Agree entirely. Especially with the bit I've underlined - the pack was clearly struggling in 2015, and we expected Clarkson and Mulhern to fix it? No reflection on them as individuals, but still. I can only imagine we must have wazzed away a fortune on Campese's new contract - which, yes, I was very happy with at the time.

Paul_HKR wrote:

Peacock had a 'hand' in all of the points you raise as Director of Rugby (or whatever title he holds).

I don't blame any individual. I feel there was a collective level of complacency which had
seeped into the fabric of the club. I don't see it now, thankfully.

Aye, that is another realistic summary IMO.

Gallanteer wrote:

This thread is so 2016.

Peacock tried his best when he donned the red stripe, but by then the team had got itself into a mess that a single player alone couldn't fix.

That stated, regardless of the entire awful season, two games at the end each lost by a single point, were the reason we got relegated. You could go further and say the coin toss in the MPG won it. If we'd won the toss, we would have tried to drive up the field like Salford and drop the goal like they did. Unless you get lucky, there's little you can do to stop a team that does that.

As I said, this is so 2016. The 2017 squad is playing in a more unified way. Will it be enough? Who knows, but in my opinion, both Hudds and Widnes are there for the taking.

Or the forward pass. The officials were probably chasing play, so I'm not surprised it was missed. In fact I was so dispirited that I 'knew' it would be, and the lack of outrage IMO shows how resigned we'd become to our fate. But as you say this is 2017, and with every passing week that poop gets left further behind. Sheens offers more of a vizierorial perspective, I reckon.

Re: jamie peacock : Wed May 10, 2017 5:26 pm  

I don't disagree with everyone's observations but only one person out of all those decision makers has been replaced. Now everything is better. Suggests the man replaced was never suitable for the role.

Re: jamie peacock : Wed May 10, 2017 5:50 pm  

Burtons Forearm wrote:

I don't disagree with everyone's observations but only one person out of all those decision makers has been replaced. Now everything is better. Suggests the man replaced was never suitable for the role.

Actually, the degradation started when Sandercock became our coach, was allowed to rip apart a team that managed a 4th place finish in SL and inspired a lot of the east stand to start negative chants and booing. I am so glad those days are definately behind us and we have our first decent coach since Morgs.

FWIW I still believe Webbo inherited a broken squad and was ravaged by injuries all season.

Re: jamie peacock : Wed May 10, 2017 6:51 pm  

Gallanteer wrote:

This thread is so 2016.

Peacock tried his best when he donned the red stripe, but by then the team had got itself into a mess that a single player alone couldn't fix.

That stated, regardless of the entire awful season, two games at the end each lost by a single point, were the reason we got relegated. You could go further and say the coin toss in the MPG won it. If we'd won the toss, we would have tried to drive up the field like Salford and drop the goal like they did. Unless you get lucky, there's little you can do to stop a team that does that.

As I said, this is so 2016. The 2017 squad is playing in a more unified way. Will it be enough? Who knows, but in my opinion, both Hudds and Widnes are there for the taking.

I think leigh are looking like the most likely team to go down. hudds still have plenty of injuries but look competitive and widnes probably the same. I wouldn't be surprised to see the MPG between 2 SL sides again as 4 home games and the ability to rotate your squad and rest players leading up to the middle 8's will be key. I also think you'll have a lot more cap available to bring players in than the SL sides

Re: jamie peacock : Wed May 10, 2017 7:20 pm  

Jake the Peg wrote:

I think leigh are looking like the most likely team to go down. hudds still have plenty of injuries but look competitive and widnes probably the same. I wouldn't be surprised to see the MPG between 2 SL sides again as 4 home games and the ability to rotate your squad and rest players leading up to the middle 8's will be key. I also think you'll have a lot more cap available to bring players in than the SL sides

are you trying to put the jinx on us jake?

Re: jamie peacock : Wed May 10, 2017 10:43 pm  

Gallanteer wrote:

Actually, the degradation started when Sandercock became our coach, was allowed to rip apart a team that managed a 4th place finish in SL and inspired a lot of the east stand to start negative chants and booing. I am so glad those days are definately behind us and we have our first decent coach since Morgs.

FWIW I still believe Webbo inherited a broken squad and was ravaged by injuries all season.

He was awful at Wakefield and awful with us. Like a rabbit in headlights in some games.
I appreciate he was a good player for us but he is not a head coach.
You can't blame his mess on Sandercock.

Re: jamie peacock : Thu May 11, 2017 7:16 am  

Burtons Forearm wrote:

He was awful at Wakefield and awful with us. Like a rabbit in headlights in some games.
I appreciate he was a good player for us but he is not a head coach.
You can't blame his mess on Sandercock.

to be honest I blame them both and has some have said webbo is not a head coach and never will be but we should have got Tim a lot earlier

Re: jamie peacock : Thu May 11, 2017 9:17 am  

rover 2000 wrote:

are you trying to put the jinx on us jake?

Another one who promises wonders and 5hits cucumbers.