Re: Time for Chester to go - the facts! : Tue Feb 16, 2016 7:14 pm  

Jake the Peg wrote:

People are being too harsh on chester IMO. Does anyone have any evidence that he's the one who has chosen the players and squad make up? Did he hand out big contracts to kelly and campese? Was he the one who green lighted tilse last season?

Didn't rob crossland come out and say the other day you've purposely chosen younger, lighter forwards as you're making plans for reduced interchanges - wasn't that when he criticised the Hull pack for being too big? Seems to be a club policy to me and not down solely to chester. How much input have hudge, crossland, smith and peacock had in recruitment and retention?

Last season he got you to wembley and you were only 2 points off the top 8 despite a bad injury run including losing your best player for most of the season. You also went undefeated through the middle 8's.

What do people realistically expect? You're one of the smaller clubs in SL (in income/attendance terms) and have very few quality young players who have come through your academy meaning you've had to backfill from elsewhere. You're probably punching at your weight in real terms around 7th to 11th and there's only really cas who have bucked the trend to some extent although they're still spending at the cap.

As for your overseas signings, campese, sio and kelly are top quality players even if 2 are injury prone - you sometimes have to take a chance on these players which can blow up in your face but it's hardly chester's fault.

These things often seem worse when the team across the city are doing better. I'd say if it hadn't been for the derby friendly bumming and the fact we've started like a house on fire then most rovers fans would have been happy with a point from your first 2 games. I've no doubt you'll beat a woeful wakefield side on sunday and think you have a decent shout against saints as long as you don;t pick up any more injuries.

Can your club even afford to sack chester and can they afford the salary for these coaches on everyone's shopping list?

Pure crap and some of it a bit patronising, especially the smaller club analogy.

Hull KR is a team. RL is a team game. As a team, Hull KR is misfiring and underperforming in its current iteration and somebody has to carry the can.

Rewind 12 months.

Last season, we beat you in preseason and we beat you at yours. We never won away from home again in SL. We beat some other top 4 sides at home. We won 3 on the bounce over Easter and then it all dissolved to rats**t. At the same time the suicidal lemmings on the dark side of the chocolate divide were screaming for Radford's head. Then fortunes went in reverse. A team that could defend, suddenly found some cohesion in attack. A team that couldn't defend but could attack, lost its playmaker and on field game manager. The rest is history. We were consistently inconsistent in line with previous seasons.

So we got to Wembley but got hammered by a record score. We missed out on our target of the top 8. You beat us at Newcastle and at ours.

Fast forward to 2016. You fix up your 2015 weaknesses in the off-season by recruiting players who can compliment the talent you already had and take your performances up another level.

We fix our 2015 weaknesses and legacy by - failing to sign a half to play alongside Kelly and to provide cover for Campo and Kelly; failing to address our pack weakness and size especially in the back row; failing to sign a specialist fullback; failing to practice core defensive structures in preseason according to stand-in captain Graeme Horne; failing to increase the size of our squad and by the look of it, failing to practice offence.

There is a talent pool out there and we understand from our directors that it was our coach's responsibility solely last year to tap into it. This year he has had input in that regard from JP.

So as we see it, it is Chezzies team for better or for worse, hands tied behind his back or not. As fans, we expect an improvement and yes the more sanguine and realistic members of our fan base, myself included, would not act to get rid of him at this exact moment in time. That said, we do wonder if this current team has the capability to react. Despite the point against Cas, the team is performing at the level of skill and intensity of the middle 8s and worse than at this time last year. Things have to change to avoid a repeat of last year. Personally, I don't see it happening without a major shakeup, starting with the coaching set up.

Re: Time for Chester to go - the facts! : Tue Feb 16, 2016 8:08 pm  

Pickering Red wrote:

Pure crap and some of it a bit patronising, especially the smaller club analogy.

Hull KR is a team. RL is a team game. As a team, Hull KR is misfiring and underperforming in its current iteration and somebody has to carry the can.

Rewind 12 months.

Last season, we beat you in preseason and we beat you at yours. We never won away from home again in SL. We beat some other top 4 sides at home. We won 3 on the bounce over Easter and then it all dissolved to rats**t. At the same time the suicidal lemmings on the dark side of the chocolate divide were screaming for Radford's head. Then fortunes went in reverse. A team that could defend, suddenly found some cohesion in attack. A team that couldn't defend but could attack, lost its playmaker and on field game manager. The rest is history. We were consistently inconsistent in line with previous seasons.

So we got to Wembley but got hammered by a record score. We missed out on our target of the top 8. You beat us at Newcastle and at ours.

Fast forward to 2016. You fix up your 2015 weaknesses in the off-season by recruiting players who can compliment the talent you already had and take your performances up another level.

We fix our 2015 weaknesses and legacy by - failing to sign a half to play alongside Kelly and to provide cover for Campo and Kelly; failing to address our pack weakness and size especially in the back row; failing to sign a specialist fullback; failing to practice core defensive structures in preseason according to stand-in captain Graeme Horne; failing to increase the size of our squad and by the look of it, failing to practice offence.

There is a talent pool out there and we understand from our directors that it was our coach's responsibility solely last year to tap into it. This year he has had input in that regard from JP.

So as we see it, it is Chezzies team for better or for worse, hands tied behind his back or not. As fans, we expect an improvement and yes the more sanguine and realistic members of our fan base, myself included, would not act to get rid of him at this exact moment in time. That said, we do wonder if this current team has the capability to react. Despite the point against Cas, the team is performing at the level of skill and intensity of the middle 8s and worse than at this time last year. Things have to change to avoid a repeat of last year. Personally, I don't see it happening without a major shakeup, starting with the coaching set up.

Great post
This fc fans patronizing that seems to be happening is doing my head in as well they forgot how they have been doing the last 4-5 seasons and just so happens they have started this season well and now they are the biggest team in the world again

The point you make about chesters hands being tied regarding signings the club shipped out something like 18 players and let him have free will on who he signed and he signed some very good players but for 1 reason or another those sane players don't believe in him anymore and surely the board can see that,

Re: Time for Chester to go - the facts! : Tue Feb 16, 2016 8:13 pm  

Jake the Peg wrote:

What do people realistically expect? You're one of the smaller clubs in SL (in income/attendance terms)

Not that size is the only measurement that's important, I don't agree with this bit. I don't know income, but attendances are in the public domain. I reckon us to be 7th on average home attendances. That's where I expect us to be in the league year on year.

Re: Time for Chester to go - the facts! : Tue Feb 16, 2016 9:10 pm  

Oafy wrote:

Great post
This fc fans patronizing that seems to be happening is doing my head in as well they forgot how they have been doing the last 4-5 seasons and just so happens they have started this season well and now they are the biggest team in the world again

The point you make about chesters hands being tied regarding signings the club shipped out something like 18 players and let him have free will on who he signed and he signed some very good players but for 1 reason or another those sane players don't believe in him anymore and surely the board can see that,

Which Hull FC fans have said that?

Re: Time for Chester to go - the facts! : Tue Feb 16, 2016 9:58 pm  

Jake the Peg wrote:

People are being too harsh on chester IMO. Does anyone have any evidence that he's the one who has chosen the players and squad make up? ?

If he did it's his fault if he didn't he's a puppet.

Re: Time for Chester to go - the facts! : Tue Feb 16, 2016 11:07 pm  

Pickering Red wrote:

Pure crap and some of it a bit patronising, especially the smaller club analogy.

.

You're welcome. I love patronising those less fortunate than myself

Re: Time for Chester to go - the facts! : Tue Feb 16, 2016 11:12 pm  

Oafy wrote:

Great post
This fc fans patronizing that seems to be happening is doing my head in as well they forgot how they have been doing the last 4-5 seasons and just so happens they have started this season well and now they are the biggest team in the world again

The point you make about chesters hands being tied regarding signings the club shipped out something like 18 players and let him have free will on who he signed and he signed some very good players but for 1 reason or another those sane players don't believe in him anymore and surely the board can see that,

We're really not the biggest team in the world and most Hull fans I know fully expect us to implode some time soon.

Re: Time for Chester to go - the facts! : Wed Feb 17, 2016 10:51 am  

His Bobness wrote:

Jake the Peg wrote:

People are being too harsh on chester IMO. Does anyone have any evidence that he's the one who has chosen the players and squad make up? ?

If he did it's his fault if he didn't he's a puppet.

Very, very true...

What is most disappointing about the current state of affairs is that nobody at the clubs seems to be taking ANY responsibilty or has any accountability for the obvious failures and the buck is been passed around freely.

The ultimate leaders and decision makers are the chairman and vice. Now they may say they employ people like a CEO, Football Manager , coach, defence coach and a highly paid captain to take care of the playing/rugby side of things, but if this is so at least one, probably more, of those people is getting some important decisions wrong.

It would be fascinating to know the decision process that resulted in the farcical situation we are now in where we have no direct line of junior players to call on, however good or promising, and decided to cut virtually all local ties to the first team squad. I assume the 5 year plan must include the possiblity that Hull FC become a reasonable side again and we languish perenially in the bottom 4 or worse , leaving the best talent from the City of Hull academy a pretty straightforward choice when they graduate.

I assume the plan also includes leaving overseas recruitment to our captain to get his mates on equally overpaid contracts but still ensures the CEO gets his annual holiday to Australia , which produced those top signings this year...

The plan seems to further involve a similar situation on the domestic front but with the football manger in charge.

The plan must obviously include small print in the playing contracts that value for money is not expected nor does the value or length of your contract relate to your actual ability or indeed willingness or availability to play. In fact these may quite often be inversely proportional.

The plan also seem to include paying big bucks for a defensive coach who only turns up on Friday afternoons.

As indicated in prior posts the situation is made more galling in view of the fact that FC have turned their own situation around dramatically it seems, and in no small part due to a Mr Motu Tony, whose recruitment skills are obviously par excellence.

Well, Rovers plan did in fact entail turning down Mr Tony for a role at the club prior to his employment across the way, as obviously our guys are doing such a good job...

I do feel a little for Chester because he does not have much to work with but he is the author of his own misfortune if he has failed to impose himself.

I think some brutal self appraisal and honesty needs to be applied from top to bottom and not just by the first team squad, who after all, didn't award themselves their lucrative or not so lucrative contracts.

I fear some may be fiddling whilst Rome burns.

Re: Time for Chester to go - the facts! : Wed Feb 17, 2016 12:41 pm  

Peter Mannion wrote:

Very, very true...

What is most disappointing about the current state of affairs is that nobody at the clubs seems to be taking ANY responsibilty or has any accountability for the obvious failures and the buck is been passed around freely.

The ultimate leaders and decision makers are the chairman and vice. Now they may say they employ people like a CEO, Football Manager , coach, defence coach and a highly paid captain to take care of the playing/rugby side of things, but if this is so at least one, probably more, of those people is getting some important decisions wrong.

It would be fascinating to know the decision process that resulted in the farcical situation we are now in where we have no direct line of junior players to call on, however good or promising, and decided to cut virtually all local ties to the first team squad. I assume the 5 year plan must include the possiblity that Hull FC become a reasonable side again and we languish perenially in the bottom 4 or worse , leaving the best talent from the City of Hull academy a pretty straightforward choice when they graduate.

I assume the plan also includes leaving overseas recruitment to our captain to get his mates on equally overpaid contracts but still ensures the CEO gets his annual holiday to Australia , which produced those top signings this year...

The plan seems to further involve a similar situation on the domestic front but with the football manger in charge.

The plan must obviously include small print in the playing contracts that value for money is not expected nor does the value or length of your contract relate to your actual ability or indeed willingness or availability to play. In fact these may quite often be inversely proportional.

The plan also seem to include paying big bucks for a defensive coach who only turns up on Friday afternoons.

As indicated in prior posts the situation is made more galling in view of the fact that FC have turned their own situation around dramatically it seems, and in no small part due to a Mr Motu Tony, whose recruitment skills are obviously par excellence.

Well, Rovers plan did in fact entail turning down Mr Tony for a role at the club prior to his employment across the way, as obviously our guys are doing such a good job...

I do feel a little for Chester because he does not have much to work with but he is the author of his own misfortune if he has failed to impose himself.

I think some brutal self appraisal and honesty needs to be applied from top to bottom and not just by the first team squad, who after all, didn't award themselves their lucrative or not so lucrative contracts.

I fear some may be fiddling whilst Rome burns.

very good post, this should be put up in your boardroom and changing room, you may have to do what Radford and Pearson have done over the last few years and pay off over inflated earners and go back to basics.

Re: Time for Chester to go - the facts! : Wed Feb 17, 2016 2:03 pm  

Peter Mannion wrote:

Very, very true...

What is most disappointing about the current state of affairs is that nobody at the clubs seems to be taking ANY responsibilty or has any accountability for the obvious failures and the buck is been passed around freely.

The ultimate leaders and decision makers are the chairman and vice. Now they may say they employ people like a CEO, Football Manager , coach, defence coach and a highly paid captain to take care of the playing/rugby side of things, but if this is so at least one, probably more, of those people is getting some important decisions wrong.

It would be fascinating to know the decision process that resulted in the farcical situation we are now in where we have no direct line of junior players to call on, however good or promising, and decided to cut virtually all local ties to the first team squad. I assume the 5 year plan must include the possiblity that Hull FC become a reasonable side again and we languish perenially in the bottom 4 or worse , leaving the best talent from the City of Hull academy a pretty straightforward choice when they graduate.

I assume the plan also includes leaving overseas recruitment to our captain to get his mates on equally overpaid contracts but still ensures the CEO gets his annual holiday to Australia , which produced those top signings this year...

The plan seems to further involve a similar situation on the domestic front but with the football manger in charge.

The plan must obviously include small print in the playing contracts that value for money is not expected nor does the value or length of your contract relate to your actual ability or indeed willingness or availability to play. In fact these may quite often be inversely proportional.

The plan also seem to include paying big bucks for a defensive coach who only turns up on Friday afternoons.

As indicated in prior posts the situation is made more galling in view of the fact that FC have turned their own situation around dramatically it seems, and in no small part due to a Mr Motu Tony, whose recruitment skills are obviously par excellence.

Well, Rovers plan did in fact entail turning down Mr Tony for a role at the club prior to his employment across the way, as obviously our guys are doing such a good job...

I do feel a little for Chester because he does not have much to work with but he is the author of his own misfortune if he has failed to impose himself.

I think some brutal self appraisal and honesty needs to be applied from top to bottom and not just by the first team squad, who after all, didn't award themselves their lucrative or not so lucrative contracts.

I fear some may be fiddling whilst Rome burns.

Great post and a nice line in irony too. In the words of a yank watching the University Boat Race for the first time - "oarsome"

Please can I place an order with you for more of the same in future, ta.