Re: Away Defeat at Warrington : Sun Feb 14, 2016 7:01 pm  

Pickering Red wrote:

Disagree with this. His record in charge of our national side recently has been OK and he has left that job on a high. We were a Kevin Sinfield brain fart and just 37 seconds away from a World Cup final last time out and we beat the same opposition in the last test series. He was sounding more purposeful, mature and professional during his recent interviews too.

However, when one of the NRL's best ever coaches comes knocking to declare his interest, the RFL would have been daft to spurn that opportunity.

Mcnamara for Rovers if available

Personally I would like to see Kear because he has had an immediate impact wherever he has gone, failing that Goef Toovey is available.

[Mild Rover]

Re: Away Defeat at Warrington : Sun Feb 14, 2016 7:04 pm  

Jake the Peg wrote:

Everything will be fine once you get campo and lunt back

Joking apart, you're suffering from a lack of investment in your youth structres since you came into SL. Now you've piggy backed onto our excellent youth structure it will all come good. It's what the mysterious 5 year plan is.

Y1 - convince pearson to give us a massive leg up by giving us access to his youth development set up
Y2 - sign some over the hill aussies, championship players and leeds cast offs - do well in the middle 8's
Y3- sign some over the hill aussies, championship players and leeds cast offs - do well in the middle 8's
Y4 - sign some over the hill aussies, championship players and leeds cast offs - do well in the middle 8's
Y5- Pray that some of the kids coming through actually want tot sign for us and not Hull

Joking apart, whilst Hull's overseas recruitment has been good in the off season (excellent even), I bet they're not paying more for their overseas players than rovers are. Where Hull are benefiting is having young local lads in the mix who probably cost less than market value. It's the same model which has seen leeds, wigan and saints be successful in recent years. You just can't spend your way to success as the good doctor is finding out at salford.

Anyway, you're probably a point ahead of where you expected to be at this stage and a relatively easy 2 points to come next week then a game against a saints side who look out of form and will be backing up from the WCC. You could be 5 points from 8 in a couple of weeks

The model that has seen Leeds, Wigan and Saints be successful is in having more money to spend across the board than anybody else. Youth is only part of that. You can spend your way to success, the failure of koucash to do so yet does not show it to be impossible. Moran has done okay at Warrington, after a couple of false starts. Our own short-termism yielded relative success in 2009 and 2010. Pearson has said he is paying more than ever on player wages this year, and has cashed in on Lineham and Westerman to invest in experienced Polynesians. The invest in youth line - well there's some truth in it, but on the keys to success list, realistically it is down at about number 5 or 6. It doesn't help that we've not produced much talent, but it hasn't been our most problematic issue.

There's a gap between what people want to be true (you can't buy success, investing in youth is key, there's loads of talent in the championship) and what is true (you can, it isn't and there's a good deal more in Polynesia). The important thing is we know which is which and plan accordingly.

Re: Away Defeat at Warrington : Sun Feb 14, 2016 7:04 pm  

What's all this about defensive structures all load of crap
If you don't move up in a line as we found loads of time with Welham when shot line leaving a gap an under 8 could have spotted you have no chance
Never let a man get outside you especially wingers how many times do we see our wingers 10 yards in from the side line and the opposition get round them,if you stand on your line he has to come in and the cover takes his centre or who ever is there.
This structure so called defensive systems are a load of sxxxe take your man half the players can't think for themselves, too much crap in there heads don't go there you must be here rubbish take your man that's your job balls to anyone else if I do my job and everyone does there's the defence will work

[Mild Rover]

Re: Away Defeat at Warrington : Sun Feb 14, 2016 7:15 pm  

Pickering Red wrote:

Surely Mcnamara will have benefitted from his time at the Roosters in the NRL and in charge of England. Must know good defensive structures than the ones we are deploying at the mo.

Is it poor structures or more that it's hard to maintain structures when you're not winning the collision and getting trampled?

Re: Away Defeat at Warrington : Sun Feb 14, 2016 7:16 pm  

Jake the Peg wrote:

Everything will be fine once you get campo and lunt back

Joking apart, you're suffering from a lack of investment in your youth structres since you came into SL. Now you've piggy backed onto our excellent youth structure it will all come good. It's what the mysterious 5 year plan is.

Y1 - convince pearson to give us a massive leg up by giving us access to his youth development set up
Y2 - sign some over the hill aussies, championship players and leeds cast offs - do well in the middle 8's
Y3- sign some over the hill aussies, championship players and leeds cast offs - do well in the middle 8's
Y4 - sign some over the hill aussies, championship players and leeds cast offs - do well in the middle 8's
Y5- Pray that some of the kids coming through actually want tot sign for us and not Hull

Joking apart, whilst Hull's overseas recruitment has been good in the off season (excellent even), I bet they're not paying more for their overseas players than rovers are. Where Hull are benefiting is having young local lads in the mix who probably cost less than market value. It's the same model which has seen leeds, wigan and saints be successful in recent years. You just can't spend your way to success as the good doctor is finding out at salford.

Anyway, you're probably a point ahead of where you expected to be at this stage and a relatively easy 2 points to come next week then a game against a saints side who look out of form and will be backing up from the WCC. You could be 5 points from 8 in a couple of weeks

Makes you wonder why Pearson decided to merge with Rovers youth if it is the way forwards.
I thought both clubs stated that it was a cost cutting exercise.

Re: Away Defeat at Warrington : Sun Feb 14, 2016 7:20 pm  

Ill-discipline and unforced errors crucified Rovers today gifting Warrington four tries. TBH I couldn't fault Rovers effort but every time they got on the front foot someone undid it and fair play to the opposition they capitalised on it. I wouldn't have minded if Warrington had pressurised Rovers into the errors but they didn't. Whilst he wasn't the only culprit Horne had a stinker (the captaincy is too much of a burden IMO). Overall the lack of nous at FB and hooker showed. We need Campo and Lunt/Boudebza back and to solve the FB dilemma I would play Kelly there once Marsh gets back. After all this there were two positives; Lawler showed what a grafter he is (although he struggled at 9, which was to be expected) and once again Blair looked a clas act in the halves.

[Mild Rover]

Re: Away Defeat at Warrington : Sun Feb 14, 2016 7:22 pm  

Fc_exile wrote:

In fairness you don't have many coaches that have a 'decent' track record when getting a new job.

Wigan - Wane - First HC Job
St Helens - Cunningham - First HC Job
Hull FC - Radford - First HC Job
Huddersfield - Anderson - First HC Job
Catalans - Frayssinous - First HC Job
Widnes - Betts - First HC Job
Salford - Watson - First HC Job
Leeds - McDermott - Made the play-offs for Harlequins.

Betts was head coach at Wigan for a while iirc. But your general point, I accept. Chester had a good long apprenticeship, I don't think that is the problem especially.

Re: Away Defeat at Warrington : Sun Feb 14, 2016 7:27 pm  

Mild Rover wrote:

The model that has seen Leeds, Wigan and Saints be successful is in having more money to spend across the board than anybody else. Youth is only part of that. You can spend your way to success, the failure of koucash to do so yet does not show it to be impossible. Moran has done okay at Warrington, after a couple of false starts. Our own short-termism yielded relative success in 2009 and 2010. Pearson has said he is paying more than ever on player wages this year, and has cashed in on Lineham and Westerman to invest in experienced Polynesians. The invest in youth line - well there's some truth in it, but on the keys to success list, realistically it is down at about number 5 or 6. It doesn't help that we've not produced much talent, but it hasn't been our most problematic issue.

There's a gap between what people want to be true (you can't buy success, investing in youth is key, there's loads of talent in the championship) and what is true (you can, it isn't and there's a good deal more in Polynesia). The important thing is we know which is which and plan accordingly.

You can't buy long term success in RL. The 2 most successful sides in the early SL years were bradford and saints, both of whom completely flouted the salary cap and spent what they wanted. One nearly went bust and is now playing 2nd tier rugby and the other was only saved by virtue of having enough value in their old ground to move and clear their debts.

leeds are the most successful side in SL history and by far the most since the salary cap was being policed more effectively (although not completely as we all know) and their model has been to use home grown players (and they were extremely fortunate to have 3 or 4 top class ones who hung around for a decade or more) plus adding in good quality UK and overseas players. They haven't been big spenders at all.

The other recent successful side has been wigan, who are a model for basing yous team on home grown talent.

wire spent big, had 3 or 4 decent seasons (although never won SL) and then it all fell apart. Only by spending big again do they look to have a competitive team again.

You're right about the value in polynesian players though

Re: Away Defeat at Warrington : Sun Feb 14, 2016 7:29 pm  

Keith_Lard wrote:

Makes you wonder why Pearson decided to merge with Rovers youth if it is the way forwards.
I thought both clubs stated that it was a cost cutting exercise.

It is but who do you think has done best out of it?

Re: Away Defeat at Warrington : Sun Feb 14, 2016 7:35 pm  

Jake the Peg wrote:

It is but who do you think has done best out of it?

The outcome of the decision will not be seen for at least 3 years.
FC had the better academy. Probably why the FC fans were more outraged.