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Re: THE MERGED ACADEMY : Sat Sep 05, 2015 1:34 pm  

Any idea how ring-fencing will work with the club-trained rule?

Would a player let go by one club qualify as club-trained if the other wanted to give them a shot? Or maybe later in their career, returning to the area from another club altogether? Not that any system seems to last that long in RL!

Re: THE MERGED ACADEMY : Sat Sep 05, 2015 3:00 pm  

I'm bored of this merged academy debate

Re: THE MERGED ACADEMY : Sat Sep 05, 2015 3:56 pm  

fun time frankie wrote:

I'm bored of this merged academy debate

Don't post then?

I'm not a fan of it, I still fail to see how it benefits FC other than financially? It's a no brainer for KR. And I'm not trolling, I really think that is the case - both clubs pay less so gain financially but there is no doubt which team benefits in term of the output (players).

And I don't see it lasting long. (hopefully)

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Re: THE MERGED ACADEMY : Sat Sep 05, 2015 6:09 pm  

Jimmy Carr wrote:

Don't post then?

I'm not a fan of it, I still fail to see how it benefits FC other than financially? It's a no brainer for KR. And I'm not trolling, I really think that is the case - both clubs pay less so gain financially but there is no doubt which team benefits in term of the output (players).

And I don't see it lasting long. (hopefully)

Isn't a financial benefit well worth having? Especially if the money can be spent better elsewhere e.g. On having an additional development level.

Apart from maybe Saints, Leeds and Wigan, how many clubs have under-19 teams that offer value for money?

Paying transfer fees, scouting the lower leagues and the amateur game - that'd offer more bang for your buck than the current system. At the moment it's basically train some teens to the point where a few are ready for championship 1. I know Hull fans are (rightly) proud of their under-19s efforts, but if you look at pound spent per regular first teamer produced, as Pearson, surely will, you can understand why he might think there's gotta be a better way.

Re: THE MERGED ACADEMY : Sat Sep 05, 2015 6:23 pm  

Mild Rover wrote:

Isn't a financial benefit well worth having? Especially if the money can be spent better elsewhere e.g. On having an additional development level.

Apart from maybe Saints, Leeds and Wigan, how many clubs have under-19 teams that offer value for money?

Paying transfer fees, scouting the lower leagues and the amateur game - that'd offer more bang for your buck than the current system. At the moment it's basically train some teens to the point where a few are ready for championship 1. I know Hull fans are (rightly) proud of their under-19s efforts, but if you look at pound spent per regular first teamer produced, as Pearson, surely will, you can understand why he might think there's gotta be a better way.

Time will tell I guess, no doubt cutting the cloth was needed I get that, and hopefully it will be the right decision, I don't want it to fail just to be proved right, I'm not that shallow. I'm not sure the saved money will be re-invested though, I think its a saving money exercise - both directors have openly admitted they cant keep throwing money at the clubs.

I just can't help but feel that our academy was really starting to bear fruits, the evidence is there for all to see. Kind of seems a shame to have put al that investment in place and then buckle just as it was starting to come good?

If it can start producing talent on a regular basis, and the evidence would say FC are right on the cusp of that, then paying big transfers would be a thing of the past anyway, as the talent pool would be in place.
Ultimately I cant see how merging with KR will produce more talent for FC than it is now?

Re: THE MERGED ACADEMY : Sat Sep 05, 2015 7:22 pm  

Jimmy Carr wrote:

Don't post then?

I'm not a fan of it, I still fail to see how it benefits FC other than financially? It's a no brainer for KR. And I'm not trolling, I really think that is the case - both clubs pay less so gain financially but there is no doubt which team benefits in term of the output (players).

And I don't see it lasting long. (hopefully)

I didn't say I was bored of posting in a nutshell it seems all the hull fans are against it and all the rovers fans don't seem that bothered although the hull fans seem to think there churning out players like Wigan do and we don't have any players come through our academy which isn't true on both points

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Re: THE MERGED ACADEMY : Sat Sep 05, 2015 9:27 pm  

Jimmy Carr wrote:

Time will tell I guess, no doubt cutting the cloth was needed I get that, and hopefully it will be the right decision, I don't want it to fail just to be proved right, I'm not that shallow. I'm not sure the saved money will be re-invested though, I think its a saving money exercise - both directors have openly admitted they cant keep throwing money at the clubs.

I just can't help but feel that our academy was really starting to bear fruits, the evidence is there for all to see. Kind of seems a shame to have put al that investment in place and then buckle just as it was starting to come good?

If it can start producing talent on a regular basis, and the evidence would say FC are right on the cusp of that, then paying big transfers would be a thing of the past anyway, as the talent pool would be in place.
Ultimately I cant see how merging with KR will produce more talent for FC than it is now?

We'll never know whether it really was on the cusp of delivering first-team players in good numbers and consistently, year after year. And I understand why that is frustrating for Hull fans, who have bought into this as the way forward. From outside, it seems that you have a good group of young players and I'd expect one, two... maybe even three or four to make a mark in SL. But a lot of expectation has been placed on them and the system that produced them, and my assumption is that it's been overhyped a bit.
It could just be that the money has run out, but running an under-23 team won't be cheap, so I think it's probably just been recognised as a fairly inefficient system.

Re: THE MERGED ACADEMY : Sat Sep 05, 2015 10:08 pm  

Struggling to think, and looking to provoke hilarious posts.

Shaul;Skirlaugh.
Briscoe;Fev.
Lineham; Now officially rubbish.
Erm.
Houghton; Quality player, everyone at Hull thinks he's rubbish.
Green;Can't get a game, once scored a try.
Yeaman; Excellent ball boy. As long as he was on the touch line, no passes required.
Erm...
Loads of others.
Brink of world domination.
1991.
Premiership.
Dane O'Hara.
Arthur Bunting, good coat.
Sterlo.
Back To The Future.

Re: THE MERGED ACADEMY : Sun Sep 06, 2015 2:35 am  

The big one for me is the Jordan Abdul comments I keep hearing. Hull FC fans are using it as a reason why they shouldn't me merging with Rovers. Do any of them actually know where he played prior to joining the great Hull FC academy?

Re: THE MERGED ACADEMY : Sun Sep 06, 2015 7:39 am  

What has Abdul said? (apart from "what time are we doing Maccy D's?")