Re: betts out : Mon Aug 05, 2013 11:26 am  

I have always wanted Betts to go even with good results.He has upset a few players like Briscoe,Flynn,and we can see lost the dressing room already.

Re: betts out : Tue Aug 06, 2013 10:27 am  

Rumour is that Bett's has gone. Nothing official

Re: betts out : Wed Aug 07, 2013 7:37 pm  

Mick Potter to take over?

Source @johnstankevitch @LeagueWeekly

Re: betts out : Thu Aug 08, 2013 11:44 am  

I'm the source am I?

Well, not really. I responded to a tweet posted by League Weekly, and I was being sarcastic!

I've heard its Kurt Sorenson

Re: betts out : Thu Aug 08, 2013 12:53 pm  

CAMS wrote:

I'm the source am I?

Well, not really. I responded to a tweet posted by League Weekly, and I was being sarcastic!

I've heard its Kurt Sorenson

Re: betts out : Thu Aug 08, 2013 3:11 pm  

CAMS wrote:

I'm the source am I?

Well, not really. I responded to a tweet posted by League Weekly, and I was being sarcastic!

I've heard its Kurt Sorenson

Now that your just one of us fans mate what do you think of Denis? is he doing a good job in your eyes?

Re: betts out : Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:47 pm  

I've always been a fan
It's a tough one I think for Denis Betts. I don't think Widnes Vikings are one of those marquee clubs anymore that players would do anything to play for, and so this restricts what he can do when signing players, to a certain extent.

Money talks for players and so Widnes have to throw very good money around to get high quality players, but the problem is that they would have to pay over the odds of the likes of Wigan, St Helen's, Warrington etc...because players WANT to play for the top clubs and would probably take less money to do so.

Widnes pay top money but are then restricted in terms of quality strength in depth because a large proportion of the cash is tied up on a few players. So the middle to bottom end of the squad is average at best.

It's very difficult to make individual improvements of players that are significant enough to have an impact on team performances. Whilst you might get a 1% ability increase, it still leaves the player in the average bracket for ability.

When it comes to gameplans, tactics etc...nobody can really comment, because we don't know his coaching philosophy or strategy, but even with the best philosophy or strategy, hands are tied by the standard of players/team that you have.

In some ways I feel sorry for him.

Re: betts out : Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:54 pm  

One of the main discussion points on these forums has been the Vikings defence this year.

Defence boils down to trust.

If players trust the system that the coach puts in place, and they trust each other, and the system is a sound one, then the only way that a team can break that down is when individuals within the defensive structure make mistakes.

This happens all the time, it's just basic human nature to make mistakes, especially when under pressure. Fatigue also comes into play when defending, as the more tired you get, the less alert you become and when things happen quickly, which they do at the top level of the game, it's hard for tired players to react.

So I suppose you could say that maybe they aren't as fit as they possibly could be.

But then again, when you are coming up ball and giving penalties away, and find yourself on the back foot for 60 minutes of the game, it's inevitable that you'll get tired.

Are their trust issues in the squad, amongst players? Do the players trust the coach? Do the players trust the defensive system in place?

Unfortunately, working hard and having desire isn't quite enough, especially when you are playing against some fantastic attacking threats and in all honesty, when some of the players in the defensive system are very average.

Good teams are able to highlited weaknesses in the defensive line and exploit that.

Can Denis replace the weaknesses with better players? See my previous post

Re: betts out : Thu Aug 08, 2013 11:07 pm  

Stanky I feel Betts could have got better players from the Championship than Leuluai,Pickgersgill,and Ben Davies. I sometimes wonder if just picks his favourites and with Briscoe and Flynn not in contention makes me wonder.I like Clarke but why play him 65 mins before replacing him with Gore?Clarke and others need a rest to freshen them up. I feel Betts does not utilise his squad and his tactics at times looks predictable one man rugby.

Re: betts out : Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:23 am  

I tend to fall similar to what John is saying. I think at times Betts has got the best out of this group and we've looked great but sometimes a few players aren't 100% and we can look ordinary as a unit.

I think a few players huge drops in form has been overlooked at time as the coach seems to be taking 100% of the blame! Look at games we have lost / drawn by 1-6 points and we've seen 2/3 shocking individual concentration lapses in those?

This Betts favourites stuff really needs to pass by the way as it was always plauers like Pickersgill, Allen and Isa yet Allen doesn't seem to be in the current 17 and they other 2 can't get a look in! Some young lads are getting game time and that was always slated in the same argument.

Some of his selections have been odd given our lack of go forward but the squad certainly needs investment and with that we could easily be knocking hard on the top 8 door.