FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!

   WWW.RLFANS.COM • View topic - Ellis
UllFC 
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Club Coach16944No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 27 200420 years36th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
29th May 24 20:4321st May 24 08:28LINK
Milestone Posts
15000
20000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Ellis : Fri Nov 17, 2023 4:54 pm  
As for Connor, Ellis' comments just confirm that it was right to let him go, he did little at Hudds this year too, bags of talent but always looks unfit and the constant sledging at the ref and opposition players wore thin by the end.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Club Owner5518No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 23 200321 years89th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
9th May 24 13:5621st Jan 24 16:43LINK
Milestone Posts
5000
10000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Hull

Re: Ellis : Fri Nov 17, 2023 5:07 pm  
UllFC wrote:
I honestly dont think Wayne Bennett would have got a masive amount more out of the squad we had, the pack was very weak.

Tony has got to show the team is improving quickly though.

We finished 10th so basically couldn't done much worse

Smith is getting time on his record ( rightly so ) but any other coach like radford Hodgson etc would of been under pressure if they was here last season

Yet smith didn't really get any flak
UllFC 
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Club Coach16944No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 27 200420 years36th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
29th May 24 20:4321st May 24 08:28LINK
Milestone Posts
15000
20000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Ellis : Fri Nov 17, 2023 5:28 pm  
Thetalentboy wrote:
We finished 10th so basically couldn't done much worse

Smith is getting time on his record ( rightly so ) but any other coach like radford Hodgson etc would of been under pressure if they was here last season

Yet smith didn't really get any flak


Because people realise the recruitment has been bad for about 5 years now and Smith came in too late to change the squad.

Must admit I was dissapointed by the predictable end of season slump though, seems no coach has the answer to why the players are in holiday mode from August.
RankPostsTeam
Club Captain451No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 13 20186 years230th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
30th May 24 21:0230th May 24 17:50LINK
Milestone Posts
250
500
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Ellis : Fri Nov 17, 2023 6:15 pm  
Thetalentboy wrote:
Ferguson agree with

But other two ( esp guardila ) are checkbook managers

Easy to be near the top when you spend nearly most money in the league

Look at likes brian noble and mcdermott struggled at other clubs after leeds and Bradford

What and Ferguson didn’t spend any money , he spent more then other clubs most years until Chelsea started spending .
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Club Owner5518No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 23 200321 years89th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
9th May 24 13:5621st Jan 24 16:43LINK
Milestone Posts
5000
10000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Hull

Re: Ellis : Fri Nov 17, 2023 6:28 pm  
Marcus's Bicycle wrote:
Klopp isn't a cheque book manager if you compare his net spend and the the success he has had with other clubs.

Net spend that old chestnut :lol: still spent more money that majority of other clubs

See if they can win at a smaller club like Fulham or someone like ferguson did with Aberdeen
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Club Owner5518No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 23 200321 years89th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
9th May 24 13:5621st Jan 24 16:43LINK
Milestone Posts
5000
10000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Hull

Re: Ellis : Fri Nov 17, 2023 6:30 pm  
Windy winger wrote:
What and Ferguson didn’t spend any money , he spent more then other clubs most years until Chelsea started spending .

He won titles with likes of Darren fletcher and wes brown etc
RankPostsTeam
International Star3646
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 17 201311 years12th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
30th May 24 20:2729th May 24 11:06LINK
Milestone Posts
2500
5000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Ellis : Fri Nov 17, 2023 6:55 pm  
Thetalentboy wrote:
Net spend that old chestnut :lol: still spent more money that majority of other clubs

See if they can win at a smaller club like Fulham or someone like ferguson did with Aberdeen


That old chestnut?

Why was he able to spend more money than the majority of there clubs?

He had to generate money by selling players like Coutinho otherwise he wouldn't have been able to bring his players in and compete and win major trophies.

He didn't have unlimited spending power.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach7237No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 07 200518 years30th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
30th May 24 18:4327th May 24 19:08LINK
Milestone Posts
5000
10000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Signature
2016 The Year of the Airlie Bird -on sale NOW, price £15, BUY THE BOOK RE-LIVE THE DREAM!

Re: Ellis : Fri Nov 17, 2023 8:05 pm  
Thetalentboy wrote:
I meant about life after rugby league proper jobs

Yeaman imo our best centre last 20 years working in a prison

Majority of time it's the players that are the problem not the coach



I'm not having a go at you at all, I just stress the fact that Yeamo had a few job opportunities when he retired, but chose to work in the prison service because of the job prospects, career path etc. and with him having a young family that gave him the best chance, and what's more . In his chosen career path he is doing OK.

The thing is before the game went fully professional all players went back to work when they finished, in fact they worked whilst they were playing!! But, on retirement, many fell on hard times. When Hodgson was here I know that Danny houghton was contemplating going back to his tools as a Plummer/electrician and no doubt he'll pursue that when he eventually retires and he does that as one of the FC's and indeed the British games all time greats (as is Kirk). But there are no guarantees in life after Rugby league.

Sadly we might love our very demanding, physically debilitating and taxing sport, but we have missed our chances and failed to grasp the opportunities over the years as a sport (probably the best in the world) so we stay what is in effect a semi part time environment, which rewards players in the short term, but doesn't however give them any sort of security, so most understands that they go back to more menial tasks etc when they retire. Most players I know have no other aspirations than that.

Sadly that's where we are, we think we are supporting the best game there is, but financially and prestige and public awareness wise we are really nothing but a sport that has all the ingredients to be great but that has been so badly mismanaged over the years we are also rans on the national scene.

That means that although our players are heroes and titanic sportsmen whilst playing, they end up back where they started, that's why they are all to be respected for the sacrifices they make, the pain they go through and the enjoyment they give us. In the end the rewards they get for that are at best short term and they all have to adjust to being back on 'civi street' when it's over.

They do whatever they have to , to support their families and that's why Testimonials ae so important as they give players who have been loyal a little nest egg to help them through. What a sad situation that is, but I respect players like Yeamo who were heroes for all of us and continue to strive to succeed in life after they finish, whatever that means they have to do.
RankPostsTeam
International Star1419No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Aug 18 201410 years67th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
29th May 24 07:0529th May 24 07:04LINK
Milestone Posts
1000
2500
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Ellis : Sat Nov 18, 2023 10:04 am  
Thetalentboy wrote:
We finished 10th so basically couldn't done much worse

Smith is getting time on his record ( rightly so ) but any other coach like radford Hodgson etc would of been under pressure if they was here last season

Yet smith didn't really get any flak


Personally think itd of been harsh to give Smith any flak, given the absolute mess of a squad he inherited.

We saw a definate reaction after a shaky start, and id say an arm wrestle with Smith and certain players as to what wouldnt be tolerated, we saw people moved on due to Smith standing by his principles for the good of the culture, even if it left us very light at times. For me id say the season was a success in the aspect of smith changing the culture and removing some big names with thr wrong attitudes from the roster. Moves that previous coachs didnt have the balls to do.

Very much in the middle of a huge transition, and also hamstrung by loan repayments, but ive every faith Smith with patience will leave us in a much better state.

I dare say in 2 seasons time we may even be praising our academy products and signing a marquee player
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Academy Player472No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Sep 02 20231 year146th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
30th May 24 20:2530th May 24 20:25LINK
Milestone Posts
250
500
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Ellis : Sat Nov 18, 2023 1:42 pm  
Rocknrolla69er wrote:
Personally think itd of been harsh to give Smith any flak, given the absolute mess of a squad he inherited.

We saw a definate reaction after a shaky start, and id say an arm wrestle with Smith and certain players as to what wouldnt be tolerated, we saw people moved on due to Smith standing by his principles for the good of the culture, even if it left us very light at times. For me id say the season was a success in the aspect of smith changing the culture and removing some big names with thr wrong attitudes from the roster. Moves that previous coachs didnt have the balls to do.


Very much in the middle of a huge transition, and also hamstrung by loan repayments, but ive every faith Smith with patience will leave us in a much better state.

I dare say in 2 seasons time we may even be praising our academy products and signing a marquee player


Bloody hell mate stop talking sense…we are finally catching up with the other clubs academy’s and like you said in a couple of years time we may reap the awards with acedemy players and possibly a marquee signing once we get the Covid loan out of the way as unfortunately we haven’t multi millionaires on the board or a billionaire owner who is prepared to buy any player
PreviousNext

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: ComeOnYouUll, Fishface, Greavsie, Hull FC Ranger, hullandbroncos, Maninasuitcase, Marcus's Bicycle, McFc, RockNRolla and 261 guests

REPLY

Subject: 
Message:
   
Please note using apple style emoji's can result in posting failures.
Use the FULL EDITOR to better format content or upload images, be notified of replies etc...

Return to Hull FC


RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
4m
2024 Southstandercom Prediction Competition Week 13
SouthStander
23
5m
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
58965
5m
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
Sebasteeno
1756
6m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
36994
37m
RD 13 vs Castleford Tigers H
Simmo71
26
57m
Blackmore released
Bullseye
5
Recent
Rhinos Sporting Director Announcement
fanstanningl
55
Recent
Doncaster
Jaffro
56
Recent
Blake austin part 12 leaving leeds
FlexWheeler
16
Recent
Huddersfield Giants - Away
TnT
41
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
32s
Squad for Wigan
Phuzzy
30
44s
Squad 2024
faxcar
482
44s
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
36994
46s
Shopping list for 2025
walter wall
2267
49s
Transfer Talk / Rumour thread V4
Once were Lo
9123
50s
Wire part 1 of 2
WWste
25
50s
Betting 2024
karetaker
91
57s
Squads - Robins v Leopards
LeythIg
3
1m
Ebbsfleet it is
RfE
5
1m
Wakefield Trinity Heritage Podcast - Season 3
JamieRobinso
30
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Kick it into touch - Stop player abuse
H.G.S.A
1
TODAY
Rinse well before hanging out to dry
RfE
2
TODAY
Squads - Robins v Leopards
LeythIg
3
TODAY
Squad for Wigan
Phuzzy
30
TODAY
RD 13 vs Castleford Tigers H
Simmo71
26
TODAY
Ebbsfleet it is
RfE
5
TODAY
Kick it into touch - Stop player abuse
H.G.S.A
1
TODAY
Toulouse
Ilkley Fax
7
TODAY
Nathan Wilde signed on Loan
Jemmo
1
TODAY
Blake austin part 12 leaving leeds
FlexWheeler
16
TODAY
Rhinos Sporting Director Announcement
fanstanningl
55
TODAY
Dewsbury
financialtim
11
TODAY
Wire part 1 of 2
WWste
25
TODAY
Lewis Murphy
Wollo-Wollo-
14
TODAY
Points scored
BarnsleyGull
13
TODAY
WIRE YED Prediction Competition Wigan Home
Wire n Steel
14
TODAY
Wigan week 1
Uncle Rico
14
TODAY
Wembley Travel
Wildthing
17
TODAY
Extra Train from Kings Cross
BarnsleyGull
7
TODAY
Huddersfield Giants - Away
TnT
41
TODAY
Barrow H
Bulls4
7
TODAY
2024 Southstandercom Prediction Competition Week 13
SouthStander
23
TODAY
How do we rate our centres
rubber ducki
33
TODAY
New T Shirts
Start@1873
1
TODAY
Yates - what is going on
Murphy
3
TODAY
Dons v Whitehaven Sunday 2/6/24 at 3pm
Double Movem
5
TODAY
Programme Fair
glee
1
TODAY
Saturdays programme fair
glee
1
TODAY
The next programme fair
glee
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Wigan Warriors Back Level Top ..
862
Massive Win For The Wolves Ove..
921
Super Saints Second Half Demol..
928
St Helens Women Serve Cup Fina..
1170
Martin Offiah Cup Final Guest ..
729
Warrington Wolves Destroy Hudd..
1507
Leeds Rhinos To Meet Saints At..
1377
Easy Does It As Wigan Thrash H..
1631
St Helens Cruise Past York Val..
1393
Katherine Jenkins OBE to perfo..
1946
London Broncos First Win Of 20..
2257
Catalans Dragons Nil The Rhino..
2209
Wigan Warriors Sensational Sec..
2098
Leigh Leopards Destroy Salford..
2694
Warrington Wolves Frustrate Hu..
2512
RLFANS Match Centre
Matches on TV
Table 'boards.stats_fixtures' doesn't exist