Re: Leeds away : Mon May 24, 2021 3:28 pm  

bonaire wrote:

well hurry up then im interested in the stats and thats your field

I've never seen completion rates in any stats, only comments, usually from coaches.

The NRL stats are incredibly detailed, pity ours aren't the same.

[Chris71]

Re: Leeds away : Mon May 24, 2021 3:33 pm  

hesslefan wrote:

Agar’s coaching of attacking play no better than when he was at Hull. Leeds fans on their forum questioning just what Sean Long contributes.

Agreed and I don’t think it’s just Leeds fans wondering what Long has brought to Leeds as they look a very poor side. I was impressed with the minutes Prior did though.

Re: Leeds away : Mon May 24, 2021 3:35 pm  

Chris71 wrote:

To be fair I think everyone is indeed happy that we ground out a win against the old foes Leeds I don't think that's in question. What some have questioned and I find myself asking and making a note of the same things such as the thinking behind the bench selection and how it has been used the last two games, the lack of discipline resulting in giving Leeds so much possession and territory meaning we had to be very resolute in defence but against a better side we'd have been undone by that. Also the amount of work and pressure we put ourselves under is also adding to the ill discipline.

Our resolve and togetherness was outstanding and a million miles from where we have been for years which is a big plus and has been praised but on the flip side I think the observations about the negative parts are also valid, I don't think anyone has been harsh or just slagged off the performance for the sake of it,as all have been constructive.

This probably won't go down well with some on here but Bonaire seems to take a lot of flack and whilst I have not always agreed with them and at times in previous seasons thought they were sometimes overly negative, this season I have found them to be pretty positive and think their posts have been vaild and with an actual point.

Its a fans forum after all where we all come to discuss points of the game, offer opinions or vent our spleen in some cases but for some reason there are some that just chose to be confrontational because someone has dared to have an opposing view.
Now I'm no shrinking violet by any means but sometimes I wonder why we can't have decent debate and discussion on here without petty squabbles.

Anyway I thought it was a poor performance (not helped by the conditions admittedly) but one that showed as a team that when playing poorly we still dug in and ground out the win which is something we haven't seen for a long time.

Hopefully with Bowden back and a dry week with warmer/drier weather forecast for the week we will be a much better prospect for the trip to St's on Friday, plus hope to see the inclusion of Brown on the bench too.

unfortunately Chris there seems to be a lot of older generation supporters on here who just cannot stand any form of criticism
of players or the club even though at times its clearly warranted.
We all care about the club otherwise we wouldnt spend time reading and posting comments on here and we all have favourite players.
We are now in an exciting new era with a Rookie coach who has quickly gained the respect of the players and fans alike and the togetherness,fitness and the will to work their socks off for each other is plain to see.
That said you still have to question Brett Hodgsons bench selection for the last two matches and the continuing indiscipline which seems to have become worse since the opening two games.
The extra defending we have to do as a result drains the energy not only to defend but also to put together any meaningful attack so its imperative that the coach instills into the players the importance of disciplined play.
With Bowden back for Saints i doubt we will see Brown but before the semi draw i said i would rather play Saints as i feel confident of beating them and i think we will beat them also on Friday.

Re: Leeds away : Mon May 24, 2021 4:08 pm  

K-Diddy wrote:

No idea how many 6 agains we've conceded but Phil Clarke did say last night that we've been awarded the fewest in the league. What are we doing different to the other teams? Certainly seems a lottery & a bit of a cop out for referees.

I watch these very closely as its been a bug bear of mine for a while now, and it just seems that we have hands on the ball at times , or we lay on too much in the officials eyes, what I will say is the refs have zero patience with us as a team as when the opposition does it they sometimes get double the time to get out the tackle or hands off the ball than we do. We arnt Angels but we are getting a lot of harsh sets of six again, against us.

I can't remember who posted it, but somebody posted about the officials maybe concentrate on a couple of teams with poor discipline and are a lot more strict with them,this is the only explanation for me that makes any sense with what I'm seeing, this then it creates abit of a vicious circle ............

[Chris71]

Re: Leeds away : Mon May 24, 2021 4:14 pm  

Rocknrolla69er wrote:

K-Diddy wrote:

No idea how many 6 agains we've conceded but Phil Clarke did say last night that we've been awarded the fewest in the league. What are we doing different to the other teams? Certainly seems a lottery & a bit of a cop out for referees.

I watch these very closely as its been a bug bear of mine for a while now, and it just seems that we have hands on the ball at times , or we lay on too much in the officials eyes, what I will say is the refs have zero patience with us as a team as when the opposition does it they sometimes get double the time to get out the tackle or hands off the ball than we do. We arnt Angels but we are getting a lot of harsh sets of six again, against us.

I can't remember who posted it, but somebody posted about the officials maybe concentrate on a couple of teams with poor discipline and are a lot more strict with them,this is the only explanation for me that makes any sense with what I'm seeing, this then it creates abit of a vicious circle ............

It would certainly be interesting to see a team to team comparison of the league.

I think we are probably higher up in the giving of 6 agains currently as we have relied heavily on defensive work at times so by law of averages of being with and without the ball in will certainly skew stats one way or the other.

For me I just don't like the rule or the ball steal rule but thats just me.

Re: Leeds away : Mon May 24, 2021 4:21 pm  

https://www.superleague.co.uk/stats/club-stats Click on a heading to get it ordered for that selection - Saints, for example, are way ahead for penalties, we're 8th worst. No mention of 6 again.

https://www.superleague.co.uk/stats/club-stats Click on a heading to get it ordered for that selection - Saints, for example, are way ahead for penalties, we're 8th worst. No mention of 6 again.

Re: Leeds away : Mon May 24, 2021 4:38 pm  

Chris71 wrote:

It would certainly be interesting to see a team to team comparison of the league.

I think we are probably higher up in the giving of 6 agains currently as we have relied heavily on defensive work at times so by law of averages of being with and without the ball in will certainly skew stats one way or the other.

For me I just don't like the rule or the ball steal rule but thats just me.

I think sport in general particularly football and rugby is getting very finicky, in the pursuit of perfection for adhering to the letter of the law , i also find we have more and more officials who are obsessed with applying the letter of the law and don't understand the physicality of the games when the players are simply competing, with no common sense applied to situations. A lot look like they've just been dragged off their boxs and never played the sports they officiate.

Shame ex pros don't get involved who have more experiance in a competitive environment and would be better equipped to officiate.

Re: Leeds away : Mon May 24, 2021 5:27 pm  

Still cannot believe Briscoe didn't score here

Re: Leeds away : Mon May 24, 2021 5:47 pm  

Rocknrolla69er wrote:

Shame ex pros don't get involved who have more experience in a competitive environment and would be better equipped to officiate.

That would move the concept of biased referees to a new level.

Re: Leeds away : Mon May 24, 2021 5:51 pm  

The Hollywood Frasier wrote:

I like Brown but he seems to be prone to the odd brain explosion which I think is maybe coming from him trying so hard to make a impact.

If he isn't going to be playing he should be out on loan with a call-back clause because he needs to be playing against men as his development is really running the risk of stagnating.

How people would have him above Fash in the pecking order I have no idea though.

I think Fashy has really improved this term, but the potential, or certainly the expectations of Jack Brown has caught the imagination of the fans, he looks an exciting player. But who knows what’s going on, have Rovers swooped for him