[Mild Rover]

Re: Rumours Ad Infinitum : Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:35 am  

Robbo4 wrote:

So the club the player leaves doesn't have to count the full seasons wages but the club he joins does? That makes no sense.

You're mixing together cap-space and wages, I think.

If the cap is £1.6m and...

Joe Bloggs earns £100k p/a. He moves clubs midway through the season and his wage is unchanged. Both his old club and his new were spending £1.5m p/a. His new club is now at full cap, even though he won't earn £100k during the rest of this season - the cap they weren't spending earlier in the year is 'lost'.
His new club's cap spend falls to £1.4m. They could now sign a player on a deal worth £200k a year, but they can't pay a player £200k this year.

I'll shut-up about it now!

Re: Rumours Ad Infinitum : Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:36 am  

thank you

Re: Rumours Ad Infinitum : Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:50 am  

Barnabus wrote:

How about Peter Sterling, he's bald?

As that was the first time I've ever quoted one of your posts (that I can recall), I can see how you must think I have an 'unhealthy obsession with you'.

I think SL needs a larger bald representation.

What you on about now....Sterling had long hair when he played for us...he was the best i have seen for 1 SEASON but best overall is Norton and he was folically challenged.

Re: Rumours Ad Infinitum : Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:56 am  

fc baldy wrote:

What you on about now....Sterling had long hair when he played for us...he was the best i have seen for 1 SEASON but best overall is Norton and he was folically challenged.

Sterlo is as bald as a coot.

Norton was indeed bald. It's a pity that if Norton was around these days, that he wouldn't get a chance due to the baldism within Rugby League.

Mark Calderwood went bald = no contract from Hull. Disgusting.

Re: Rumours Ad Infinitum : Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:56 am  

Mild Rover wrote:

You're mixing together cap-space and wages, I think.

If the cap is £1.6m and...

Joe Bloggs earns £100k p/a. He moves clubs midway through the season and his wage is unchanged. Both his old club and his new were spending £1.5m p/a. His new club is now at full cap, even though he won't earn £100k during the rest of this season - the cap they weren't spending earlier in the year is 'lost'.
His new club's cap spend falls to £1.4m. They could now sign a player on a deal worth £200k a year, but they can't pay a player £200k this year.

I'll shut-up about it now!

I don't think that's correct. Joe Bloggs would be on 50k at the new club for that season and the old club would now have an additional 50k spare on the cap to use how they see fit.

Re: Rumours Ad Infinitum : Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:57 am  

Mild Rover wrote:

You're mixing together cap-space and wages, I think.

If the cap is £1.6m and...

Joe Bloggs earns £100k p/a. He moves clubs midway through the season and his wage is unchanged. Both his old club and his new were spending £1.5m p/a. His new club is now at full cap, even though he won't earn £100k during the rest of this season - the cap they weren't spending earlier in the year is 'lost'.
His new club's cap spend falls to £1.4m. They could now sign a player on a deal worth £200k a year, but they can't pay a player £200k this year.

I'll shut-up about it now!

I think you're seeing it the same way I was saying. Poorly explained, but the right way to do things if it actually is like that.

Re: Rumours Ad Infinitum : Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:59 am  

Barnabus wrote:

Sterlo is as bald as a coot.

Norton was indeed bald. It's a pity that if Norton was around these days, that he wouldn't get a chance due to the baldism within Rugby League.

Mark Calderwood went bald = no contract from Hull. Disgusting.

Sterlo is Bald now but wasnt then.Anyway 6 signings and 2 to complete....who the hell is the half-back? The prop is from Catalans?

Re: Rumours Ad Infinitum : Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:05 pm  

Barnabus wrote:

Sterlo is as bald as a coot.

Norton was indeed bald. It's a pity that if Norton was around these days, that he wouldn't get a chance due to the baldism within Rugby League.

Mark Calderwood went bald = no contract from Hull. Disgusting.

Re: Rumours Ad Infinitum : Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:07 pm  

Mild Rover wrote:

You're mixing together cap-space and wages, I think.

If the cap is £1.6m and...

Joe Bloggs earns £100k p/a. He moves clubs midway through the season and his wage is unchanged. Both his old club and his new were spending £1.5m p/a. His new club is now at full cap, even though he won't earn £100k during the rest of this season - the cap they weren't spending earlier in the year is 'lost'.
His new club's cap spend falls to £1.4m. They could now sign a player on a deal worth £200k a year, but they can't pay a player £200k this year.

I'll shut-up about it now!

Ahh, I think the penny has just dropped for me.

I would think it's fairly safe to assume these days that the top 25 earners within most SL clubs playing rosters are paid on a monthly basis.
If we assume the annual cap is 1.8million (for the sake of simplicity), then that equates to a monthly cap of £150k. At no point in the year must the combined monthly salaries of those 25 players top that figure of £150k (pre-tax).
That monthly figure is basically a "use it or lose it" scenario. As you point out, shortfalls cannot be accumulated and then be used at a stragitic point at the back end of the year.
In the case of someone like Liam Watts, then it is the onus of the club to word his contract to reflect the actual outlay each month (as others have already pointed out).

Clear as day now

[Kosh]

Re: Rumours Ad Infinitum : Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:16 pm  

Robbo4 wrote:

So the club the player leaves doesn't have to count the full seasons wages but the club he joins does? That makes no sense.

That's because you're looking at it as a rule covering a single transaction type. It isn't. It's several rules designed to cover several different eventualities all rolled into one. It's all about trying to ensure that a club can't get an advantage out of manipulating signings/wages.

If a player's full wage didn't count for the full season you could sign a megastar on a huge wage for a short period - like a cup final or the playoffs - with minimum impact on your cap spend. It's been done before.