Re: Did someone hear a rumour? : Tue Jan 18, 2011 1:25 pm  

Its going to take a wedge of cash to sign Sammut.

Anybody heard rumour of what Hull are prepared to shell out?

Re: Did someone hear a rumour? : Tue Jan 18, 2011 1:31 pm  

Chris28 wrote:

Another loanee from Leeds. Are we getting any reward for giving their players first team match practice?

I guess the reward is plugging a gap in our squad for a relatively in-expensive price. If we grew our own better we wouldnt need to do it.

Re: Did someone hear a rumour? : Tue Jan 18, 2011 1:48 pm  

Big Dave T wrote:

I guess the reward is plugging a gap in our squad for a relatively in-expensive price. If we grew our own better we wouldnt need to do it.

Well quite!

Is there a salary cap benefit to a loan? Otherwise I can't understand bringing in a young player with little experience from another club over promoting a talented youngster from our own academy to blood them. Let's not forget that Horney made his debut at 16.

Re: Did someone hear a rumour? : Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:00 pm  

Bal wrote:

Its going to take a wedge of cash to sign Sammut.

Anybody heard rumour of what Hull are prepared to shell out?

No idea, this is why it is so drawn out, trying to do the deal!

Re: Did someone hear a rumour? : Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:09 pm  

Chris28 wrote:

Well quite!

Is there a salary cap benefit to a loan? Otherwise I can't understand bringing in a young player with little experience from another club over promoting a talented youngster from our own academy to blood them. Let's not forget that Horney made his debut at 16.

I would suggest that Ben Jones Bishop, if loaned to us, wouldn't fit that category. He's got a years SL experience under his belt at Quins and was selected for the England Squad last season IIRC.

Sometimes loan deals turn into permanent deals if its right for both clubs and the player.

[Kosh]

Re: Did someone hear a rumour? : Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:11 pm  

Chris28 wrote:

Well quite!

Is there a salary cap benefit to a loan? Otherwise I can't understand bringing in a young player with little experience from another club over promoting a talented youngster from our own academy to blood them. Let's not forget that Horney made his debut at 16.

Previous loan deals have been in positions where we didn't have a talented youngster - or at least not one who was ready for the step up. This one hasn't even been confirmed yet, so no point in worrying about it yet.

The larger point about the youth system is valid, and I'd like to see a shake-up there. On a case-by-case basis though the judgement has to be what's actually better for the team rather than what we'd like to happen if things were different.

Re: Did someone hear a rumour? : Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:44 pm  

I think the squad being too top-heavy with utility players over the last few seasons has meant that we have looked to use one of the fringe first teamers rather than look below the surface. We've used Washy at half back for 3 seasons which is madness. A total lose lose situation.

Hopefully we will become more position based orientated. Saints would never have done this, they get the reserve or academy lads who play that position to step up. Presumably they are all coached in a similar way and have set moves through the club so the transition is made easier.

Re: Did someone hear a rumour? : Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:48 pm  

lummy wrote:

I think the squad being too top-heavy with utility players over the last few seasons has meant that we have looked to use one of the fringe first teamers rather than look below the surface. We've used Washy at half back for 3 seasons which is madness. A total lose lose situation.

Hopefully we will become more position based orientated. Saints would never have done this, they get the reserve or academy lads who play that position to step up. Presumably they are all coached in a similar way and have set moves through the club so the transition is made easier.

Don't know about that, Saints regularly played Pryce at FB and Wilkin and Moore in the halves.

Re: Did someone hear a rumour? : Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:49 pm  

Chris28 wrote:

Fair enough, but which other teams have we loaned players from in the past 2 seasons?

Both players did a good job but went back to their club with a lot more experience to benefit that club (OK Broughton ended up at Salford, but look what he did to us there). Should we, when we need help, be helping our rivals or should we look to develop more from within?

the thing is,look at some of the players from other teams that have gone out on loan to fellow super league teams? not many,and the ones that do go for a reason.we have done quite well with our loanees from leeds,which we get mainly to cover injuries.what people have to remember is that not only are we helping leeds,but they are helping us.it works both ways,and so far,it has been a positive thing for both clubs.

Re: Did someone hear a rumour? : Tue Jan 18, 2011 3:16 pm  

PAUL M wrote:

No idea, this is why it is so drawn out, trying to do the deal!

We will want to get him cheap, they will want to max it.

So presume Hull have gone in at 10k, Crusaders looking for 100k, so its a case of working to a middle ground.