Re: westerman : Tue Oct 27, 2015 11:16 am  

Doc Brown wrote:

:SHOOT:

If we do sign Welham what's the betting our starting centres next year will be him and Yeamo? That's got me depressed.

Maybe that's why AP and Radford are both on tonight - more than one body's work to spin that.

Re: westerman : Tue Oct 27, 2015 11:19 am  

Joel Monaghan signed for Cas, so looks like Carney is definatley on his way out.

Re: westerman : Tue Oct 27, 2015 11:20 am  

Doom&Gloom Merchant wrote:

The stats say we certainly knew our way up the field with the ball:
- We were second for meters made
- Second for tackle busts
- Third for clean breaks
- Third for meters per carry
- Fourth for offloads

Getting into the oppo's 30m wasn't a problem, but we were terrible when we were there. Whilst it wasn't all due to Houghton, it starts with him at hooker.
Sneyd was pretty disappointing and Pryce unfit for most of it too.

Kicking was generally pi$$ poor. Conversions, no 40-20s all year, ineffective attacking kicks etc.

Good post Doom&Gloom. I agree that it wasn't an issue getting forward but rather what we did once we was there. I also agree with your comments on Houghton and Pryce but I wasn't personally disappointed with Sneyd as such. I just thought that, as with a lot of our players, he was inconsistent. There were times when I thought he was magnificent with his attacking play.

Re: westerman : Tue Oct 27, 2015 11:30 am  

Doc Brown wrote:

Good post Doom&Gloom. I agree that it wasn't an issue getting forward but rather what we did once we was there. I also agree with your comments on Houghton and Pryce but I wasn't personally disappointed with Sneyd as such. I just thought that, as with a lot of our players, he was inconsistent. There were times when I thought he was magnificent with his attacking play.

I think I just expected more from him.

As you say, he was quite inconsistent. Some stuff he does is top drawer, other stuff and I've got my head in my hands. I think he's got all the skills and is still fairly young. Conversions was an issue though - 2015 he missed 31.7% of kicks, 2014 for Cas it was 23.3% - so no idea what's caused that drop off.

Re: westerman : Tue Oct 27, 2015 11:37 am  

Doom&Gloom Merchant wrote:

I think I just expected more from him.

As you say, he was quite inconsistent. Some stuff he does is top drawer, other stuff and I've got my head in my hands. I think he's got all the skills and is still fairly young. Conversions was an issue though - 2015 he missed 31.7% of kicks, 2014 for Cas it was 23.3% - so no idea what's caused that drop off.

It looked to me like he changed his conversion style as the season progressed. At the start of the season he started his run ups with his back to the sticks but then he seemed to change it to a sideways run up. Maybe it was just me but I thought he was more accurate with his original conversion style.

Re: westerman : Tue Oct 27, 2015 11:40 am  

Mrs Barista wrote:

Maybe that's why AP and Radford are both on tonight - more than one body's work to spin that.

I can see it now. We needed to add "experience" to the ranks. He's a "proven" Super League centre. He fits the "professional" attitude we're trying to achieve.

Re: westerman : Tue Oct 27, 2015 11:51 am  

Doc Brown wrote:

I can see it now. We needed to add "experience" to the ranks. He's a "proven" Super League centre. He fits the "professional" attitude we're trying to achieve.

Lifelong FC fan too, so the story goes.

Re: westerman : Tue Oct 27, 2015 11:57 am  

Doc Brown wrote:

Good post Doom&Gloom. I agree that it wasn't an issue getting forward but rather what we did once we was there. I also agree with your comments on Houghton and Pryce but I wasn't personally disappointed with Sneyd as such. I just thought that, as with a lot of our players, he was inconsistent. There were times when I thought he was magnificent with his attacking play.

I think that our problem is that all of our ball players played as individuals and seemed isolated much of the time. Whether that's because Pryce wasn't fit enough to maintain a performance throughout a game , Houghton's too knackered and/or doesn't really have that control element in his game , Abdul lacked experience , Sneyd is too unpredictable and Westerman didn't like/couldn't carry off his new role or because the coach wasn't able to bring them together , it's difficult to tell. Any one of them could look like a world beater playing in a different set up. Sneyd to a degree proved that with his previous form at Cas and Westerman may well do that at Wire. No one seemed strong or "clever" enough to genuinely lead and organise the team. Will the players coming in change that? Probably not , they may lead by example but if we are to improve we've got to find some cohesion and that will only come from a dominant and skilled organiser in my view. Who will that be? At the moment it's looking like Abdul will have to take it on which will be a tough ask or we're hoping for a renaissance from Leon.

Re: westerman : Tue Oct 27, 2015 12:11 pm  

Mild mannered Janitor wrote:

I actually think we have that in Pryce.

Our issue is back up if one or both are injured.

Pryce at his best was more of a runner to Longs organising, very similar to Horne alongside Cooke. Never took me as a stand back and organise type player. Think he's tried to mould himself into that role more as he's got older but it makes him less effective.

Re: westerman : Tue Oct 27, 2015 12:17 pm  

ChrisH wrote:

I think that our problem is that all of our ball players played as individuals and seemed isolated much of the time. Whether that's because Pryce wasn't fit enough to maintain a performance throughout a game , Houghton's too knackered and/or doesn't really have that control element in his game , Abdul lacked experience , Sneyd is too unpredictable and Westerman didn't like/couldn't carry off his new role or because the coach wasn't able to bring them together , it's difficult to tell. Any one of them could look like a world beater playing in a different set up. Sneyd to a degree proved that with his previous form at Cas and Westerman may well do that at Wire. No one seemed strong or "clever" enough to genuinely lead and organise the team. Will the players coming in change that? Probably not , they may lead by example but if we are to improve we've got to find some cohesion and that will only come from a dominant and skilled organiser in my view. Who will that be? At the moment it's looking like Abdul will have to take it on which will be a tough ask or we're hoping for a renaissance from Leon.

When Pryce leaves, Abdul will be our SOH for years - talk of him moving to LF are wide of the mark IMO, at least until late in his career.