Re: Hodgson : Sun Sep 04, 2022 9:46 am  

Mrs Barista wrote:

The problem with just replacing Hodgson (if that's what will happen) is that it's simply a knee jerk response to losing a derby in humiliating fashion in an effort to persuade wavering fans to renew. This is not the right circumstance to make such a decision, whether it's the right one or not.

We need a full reset IMO. Acknowledgment that the momentum of success in 16/17 has been squandered, transparency on the financial status of the club and a non-bullshit articulation of plans on and off the pitch over the next couple of years including lease renewal. You have to face the truth to tackle the issues, or be clear how difficult it is to do so effectively, in order to carry the club's only asset (its fans) with you. Making this about replacing the coach alone and everything else is fine and we're aiming for top 4 in 2023 would be insulting.
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Replacing Hodgson would not be a knee jerk reaction though solely based on yesterday but based rather on the steady decay set in at the club over the last 2 seasons.
We could have won yesterday and my feelings towards the coach and club currently would not change.
I'm so disillusioned right now that losing to Rovers didn't in the slightest bother me, I'm just glad another disappointing season has ended.

You constantly make financial assumptions on the club and Pearson and whilst acknowledging COVID and team performance will have a bearing on pass sales, we have no idea on running costs, Pearson's wealth or that of anyone else involved.
Financially we are no better or worse off then many clubs but what we do is fail to invest wisely in the club's infrastructure ie backroom staff.
Salford, a fan owned club with less fans and resources are again spectacularly out performing us this season.

This is not all about finance but poor choices, misplaced loyalty, wrong appointments and a distinct lack of communication from the club.

Re: Hodgson : Sun Sep 04, 2022 9:49 am  

dandaman wrote:

From what I've heard changes are coming, likely Hodgson will still be here with complete new backroom staff and with nobody to hide behind on his last chance, from what I was told there's investment incoming whether or not its in return for shares in the club is unclear

I've heard the same

Re: Hodgson : Sun Sep 04, 2022 9:50 am  

All yesterday did was reach the tipping point.

Re: Hodgson : Sun Sep 04, 2022 9:55 am  

dandaman wrote:

From what I've heard changes are coming, likely Hodgson will still be here with complete new backroom staff and with nobody to hide behind on his last chance, from what I was told there's investment incoming whether or not its in return for shares in the club is unclear

Changes are good, and very sorely needed.
The worry is that if Hodgson is still here it will be one almighty challenge to sell season passes, and by the time his last chance is up our season could be over by Easter and another year absolutely wasted. That would leave season passes even harder to sell the following year.
Changes to backroom staff, no matter how badly needed and important it is, unfortunately aren't the changes that excite fans and convince them to spend their money.

All I know is I wouldn't like to be Pearson right now. He has some of the biggest and toughest decisions of his career ahead of him.

Re: Hodgson : Sun Sep 04, 2022 9:57 am  

Irregular Hoops wrote:

All yesterday did was reach the tipping point.

I'd heard change was afoot before yesterday but if yesterday firms up plans or ideas and speeds up change then I'm glad it happened.

Re: Hodgson : Sun Sep 04, 2022 10:04 am  

paperboy wrote:

Pretty sure Hodgson is not the main problem although we cant be sure he is up to the job till things improve with backroom staff and players. Both main assistant coaches do not seem capable. I am particularly disappointed with Gaz who has been great for our club but as a defence coach appears to be terrible. Attack is good on odd occasions but very slow and poor on others. Obviosly the injuries and bans dont help which also points the finger at the backroom setup. There is no communication with the fans and Pearson/Clarke just sit back and say bu??er all. Pearson (if he is still here next season needs to prepare for yet another massive financial hit). The fans forums dissapeared ages ago and this just creates loads of the moaners to putting forward their made up stories with nothing being refuted and many people believing their crap. I realise that Pearson and the club must be in a terrible financial position but they MUST COME FORWARD AND COMMUNICATE WITH THE FANS ON A REGULAR BASIS BE HONEST and fans will appreciate that and back you otherwise the situation will only get much worse and the fan base with dwindle substatially again next year. I would love to have the opportunity to air my views face to face but obviously theres no chance of that

Excellent post

However, could you not join the VP’s society?

Not sure exactly what involvement they have but think they are open to receiving new members and get to question representatives of the club?

Re: Hodgson : Sun Sep 04, 2022 10:09 am  

Irregular Hoops wrote:

I don’t think it is a knee jerk reaction to one result.
It’s a culmination of heavy beatings at home from bang average teams on a regular basis.

There are no green shoots of recovery, no identity on how he wants the team to play. Just faint hope that a handful of new players (a couple in their early 20’s) will transform how we play.

The fans made their feelings known yesterday, and there’s no way back from that. Jam tomorrow and in any kind of weather has been exhausted.

Change has to come now, good or bad.

There are many problems associated with the club not just Hodgson but the one that can be addressed straightaway is replacing him with an experienced respected coach.

As you say he has been here 2 years and we are in a worse position than the final days of the Radford era. Even if they were a glimmer of hope I would willingly give him a chance to address it but there's no evidence that's going to happen. We are falling behind the likes of Salford, Cas, Huddersfield and Leeds.

I worry about next season. Relegation is a possibility. Rovers have got rid of the dead wood and have strengthened. Warrington cannot be as bad. Leigh are spending big and Wakey have beaten us twice this season.

Re: Hodgson : Sun Sep 04, 2022 10:13 am  

I’ve heard a few people saying the same.
We could be in real trouble next year. We’ll be keeping an eye on Wakey’s recruitment as much as our own.

[Mild Rover]

Re: Hodgson : Sun Sep 04, 2022 10:16 am  

Bombed Out wrote:

Salford, a fan owned club with less fans and resources are again spectacularly out performing us this season.

Salford have adopted a plan that suits their circumstances. That might not be best for Hull (or Rovers), whose circumstances are different. But imo both clubs need to reflect more on what will most likely work for them, rather than trying to off-the-peg the Wigan or Leeds or Saints model.

Re: Hodgson : Sun Sep 04, 2022 10:22 am  

Bombed Out wrote:

Replacing Hodgson would not be a knee jerk reaction though solely based on yesterday but based rather on the steady decay set in at the club over the last 2 seasons.
We could have won yesterday and my feelings towards the coach and club currently would not change.
I'm so disillusioned right now that losing to Rovers didn't in the slightest bother me, I'm just glad another disappointing season has ended.

You constantly make financial assumptions on the club and Pearson and whilst acknowledging COVID and team performance will have a bearing on pass sales, we have no idea on running costs, Pearson's wealth or that of anyone else involved.
Financially we are no better or worse off then many clubs but what we do is fail to invest wisely in the club's infrastructure ie backroom staff.
Salford, a fan owned club with less fans and resources are again spectacularly out performing us this season.

This is not all about finance but poor choices, misplaced loyalty, wrong appointments and a distinct lack of communication from the club.

I'm not sure how you can say we have no idea on the wealth of our owner or our outgoings yet say we are at parity with most clubs.

The point I was making is that pretty recently AP was making supportive noises about Hodgson so to pull the trigger now looks like an emotional response to a result rather than delivering a measured and strategic succession plan. Your last point is supportive I think of what I've proposed, namely that we need some transparent comms recognising these shortcomings.