Re: St Helens Pre Match Chat : Fri Feb 18, 2022 6:43 am  

Riderofthepalehorse wrote:

No respect they are not unbeatable, remembering a Hull team announced against the brilliant Australian invincibles, our patched up team came so close that day.

Get stuck right into them from the off, come on yu ull.

I remember that game like it was yesterday ; Rose , Crane and Crooksy had l a real battle, often with punches thrown at their pack, but that lot were a special team, even an ageing Mick Harrison showed up well against arguably the greatest Aussie team ever.
I just think this one is going to get away from us , very early if we don't match their tenacity and intensity from the off. Even with all those missing players back, we'd be huge underdogs ,so we are probably playing them at the right time- get this one chalked off but in a manner in which we, the fans, feel satisfied that the players had earned their wages and given everything. If we do get at Walmsley and Lomax, their other spine is very young, when Roby is off the pitch and like you say, they aren't unbeatable. I do feel that Wellsby has a mistake in him everytime I watch him, so Gale will be aware of that I am sure when dictating our last tackle plays. I watched Warrington beat Cas last night, they didn't really have much to beat in truth, so all the grim predictions of us toiling this year , including mine, may well be wide of the mark, as Cas looked like a team who had no set plays and didn't know each other, so nothing to fear for me if we get the team healthy. Early days I know, but reasons to be cheerful, despite the aura of sadness that pervades after the greatest ever Hull forward's passing. Come on Hull, make us proud.

Re: St Helens Pre Match Chat : Fri Feb 18, 2022 9:37 am  

GrahamBray wrote:

I remember that game like it was yesterday ; Rose , Crane and Crooksy had l a real battle, often with punches thrown at their pack, but that lot were a special team, even an ageing Mick Harrison showed up well against arguably the greatest Aussie team ever.
I just think this one is going to get away from us , very early if we don't match their tenacity and intensity from the off. Even with all those missing players back, we'd be huge underdogs ,so we are probably playing them at the right time- get this one chalked off but in a manner in which we, the fans, feel satisfied that the players had earned their wages and given everything. If we do get at Walmsley and Lomax, their other spine is very young, when Roby is off the pitch and like you say, they aren't unbeatable. I do feel that Wellsby has a mistake in him everytime I watch him, so Gale will be aware of that I am sure when dictating our last tackle plays. I watched Warrington beat Cas last night, they didn't really have much to beat in truth, so all the grim predictions of us toiling this year , including mine, may well be wide of the mark, as Cas looked like a team who had no set plays and didn't know each other, so nothing to fear for me if we get the team healthy. Early days I know, but reasons to be cheerful, despite the aura of sadness that pervades after the greatest ever Hull forward's passing. Come on Hull, make us proud.

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Re: St Helens Pre Match Chat : Fri Feb 18, 2022 10:16 am  

GrahamBray wrote:

I remember that game like it was yesterday ; Rose , Crane and Crooksy had l a real battle, often with punches thrown at their pack, but that lot were a special team, even an ageing Mick Harrison showed up well against arguably the greatest Aussie team ever.
I just think this one is going to get away from us , very early if we don't match their tenacity and intensity from the off. Even with all those missing players back, we'd be huge underdogs ,so we are probably playing them at the right time- get this one chalked off but in a manner in which we, the fans, feel satisfied that the players had earned their wages and given everything. If we do get at Walmsley and Lomax, their other spine is very young, when Roby is off the pitch and like you say, they aren't unbeatable. I do feel that Wellsby has a mistake in him everytime I watch him, so Gale will be aware of that I am sure when dictating our last tackle plays. I watched Warrington beat Cas last night, they didn't really have much to beat in truth, so all the grim predictions of us toiling this year , including mine, may well be wide of the mark, as Cas looked like a team who had no set plays and didn't know each other, so nothing to fear for me if we get the team healthy. Early days I know, but reasons to be cheerful, despite the aura of sadness that pervades after the greatest ever Hull forward's passing. Come on Hull, make us proud.

Lussick is a superb player, along with Hastings the main reason Salford got to the grand final, I actually think he is more dangerous than Roby.

Can see what you are saying, think they are beatable, but not sure we have the side out to do that, I just can't see where our trys are coming from, too many strike players out.

Re: St Helens Pre Match Chat : Fri Feb 18, 2022 11:31 am  

Talking of strike players, what’s happened to our Mahe, he looked shot last night, worse than his performances for us.

Re: St Helens Pre Match Chat : Fri Feb 18, 2022 11:44 am  

Riderofthepalehorse wrote:

Talking of strike players, what’s happened to our Mahe, he looked shot last night, worse than his performances for us.

I am afraid he was the same in the NRL, he had a couple of good games, but his pace has gone and I cringed when he re-signed, I had watched him on Fox sports and the guy looked fat, slow and generally disinterested. I really wanted him to do well with us, but either his injuries have taken their toll or his confidence has gone because I actually felt sorry for him. I can see why Faraimo was also not resigned, very strong but pace found him out and I think we are stronger this year on the wings than last.

Re: St Helens Pre Match Chat : Fri Feb 18, 2022 11:52 am  

GrahamBray wrote:

I am afraid he was the same in the NRL, he had a couple of good games, but his pace has gone and I cringed when he re-signed, I had watched him on Fox sports and the guy looked fat, slow and generally disinterested. I really wanted him to do well with us, but either his injuries have taken their toll or his confidence has gone because I actually felt sorry for him. I can see why Faraimo was also not resigned, very strong but pace found him out and I think we are stronger this year on the wings than last.

I get all that GB, but for a young man, and a professional sportsman, seemingly unable to run five yards is mystifying, he wasn’t injured, just knackered, I’d of got further with a total hip replacement, I also felt extremely sad for him.

[Chris71]

Re: St Helens Pre Match Chat : Fri Feb 18, 2022 12:42 pm  

Riderofthepalehorse wrote:

GrahamBray wrote:

I am afraid he was the same in the NRL, he had a couple of good games, but his pace has gone and I cringed when he re-signed, I had watched him on Fox sports and the guy looked fat, slow and generally disinterested. I really wanted him to do well with us, but either his injuries have taken their toll or his confidence has gone because I actually felt sorry for him. I can see why Faraimo was also not resigned, very strong but pace found him out and I think we are stronger this year on the wings than last.

I get all that GB, but for a young man, and a professional sportsman, seemingly unable to run five yards is mystifying, he wasn’t injured, just knackered, I’d of got further with a total hip replacement, I also felt extremely sad for him.

In regards to Fonua I'd struggle to say he was a shadow of the player he was, as last night he wasn't even close to being a shadow and it shows the correct decision was made to pull the plug on his 2nd stint. IMHO I don't think he's been the same players since he left for the NRL. Like Fonua, Faraimo is just too slow and ponderous and still a liability in his tackling technique. It was refreshing seeing them both playing for another club and it just highlighted the issue we had not just a lack of pace on the edges but both players with a turning circle to an oil tanker. Whats happened to Watts since Radford took over at Cas?

Watching last nights match I didn't think Warrington were anything special at all just that Cas played very much like us in 2018,19 & 20 unift, undisciplined and not just by giving away soft penalties and 6 agains but when and where, lacking any real structure and very slow line speed. If I was a Cas fan I'd be slightly worried that Radford seems to have learnt nothing from the errors he made with us and has got his band back together.

Re: St Helens Pre Match Chat : Fri Feb 18, 2022 1:05 pm  

Let’s hope our friends and former players and coaches from Castleford, get back to winning ways next week, then the week after, they er, don’t.

Re: St Helens Pre Match Chat : Fri Feb 18, 2022 1:12 pm  

If this weather keeps up it could make the game unpredictable and we might just have a chance.

Re: St Helens Pre Match Chat : Fri Feb 18, 2022 1:14 pm  

giddyupoldfella wrote:

If this weather keeps up it could make the game unpredictable and we might just have a chance.

Now we’re talking