Re: So...... 2020 B&W predictions : Sat Dec 28, 2019 12:40 pm  

I thought Pearson hinted at expectations to reach finals, to justify his outlay this season, the way our club operates currently we need to be reaching these finals too profit.

I'm wondering if we're financially hamstrung playing at the kc. Pearson stated commercial deals had never been so high, season pass sales and shirt sales are also always high, so how does our club go to the next level with regards to improving income?

Consistently reaching finals would be one.
Pearson also hinted at super league getting a lot better broadcasting deals.

Re: So...... 2020 B&W predictions : Sat Dec 28, 2019 2:16 pm  

Chris71 wrote:

Why is it a ‘gun to the head philosophy’?

Think it’s fair to say the squad assembled for 2020 has cost a fair amount as alluded to by AP, he will want (& needs to) to see a return on that investment.

Apart from the two CC wins our form in the league itself has still in the most part been somewhat of a disappointment. We’ve had games were they’ve excelled but also had games in which they didn’t even turn up. The gap between good and bad performances has increased and defensively we have been very poor.

Given that AP has provided very good facilities to achieve success and consistency to genuinely challenge at the top we have somehow continued to falter when it matters 2019 being a prime example.

So the pressure is very much on LR to deliver in 2020, and not see the same failings of 2019. There should be no excuses with the squad assembled for 2020.

I see your point and agree that AP is expecting an improvement and will likely pull the trigger if he doesn't get one. We have a good squad but so do many other sides, and plenty on here would argue others have better coaches. Definitely looking forward to seeing what the new crop brings, starting next Sunday.

Re: So...... 2020 B&W predictions : Sat Dec 28, 2019 2:32 pm  

Mrs Barista wrote:

I see your point and agree that AP is expecting an improvement and will likely pull the trigger if he doesn't get one. We have a good squad but so do many other sides, and plenty on here would argue others have better coaches. Definitely looking forward to seeing what the new crop brings, starting next Sunday.

You diiging the footings for the foundations for excuses?

Re: So...... 2020 B&W predictions : Sat Dec 28, 2019 2:46 pm  

IR80 wrote:

You diiging the footings for the foundations for excuses?

No, just providing context that other teams will have similar expectations and many on here would argue better coaches. I'm simply looking forward to whatever the season brings. We've got new blood in Ma'u, Jones, Sao, a strong three quarter line and competition in the halves. Will be behind them whatever happens, starting next Sunday.

Re: So...... 2020 B&W predictions : Sat Dec 28, 2019 6:15 pm  

Mrs Barista wrote:

No, just providing context that other teams will have similar expectations and many on here would argue better coaches. I'm simply looking forward to whatever the season brings. We've got new blood in Ma'u, Jones, Sao, a strong three quarter line and competition in the halves. Will be behind them whatever happens, starting next Sunday.

The thing is context is subjective and yours obviously reflects your defeatist attitude and low expectations you set yourself, in order to support your excuses.

Most teams will have aspirations of top 6, a few I dare say may except avoiding relagation and the others expecting a top 4 finish. Our recruitment has been excellent this season, we are spending above cap and employing the marquee ruling whether you like it or not.
To expect a top 4 finish from the squad assembled and quality within is by no means being unrealistic.
A lot will come down to mental attitude and coaching.
Nothing is a given but I'd be disappointed if we weren't competing for the top 4.
It's okay to have high hopes with the best team we've had in a long while and Wigan aside no other team has recruited as well as us.
I see the Leeds game as a benchmark akin to our 1st game of the 2016 season when we beat Catalan.

Re: So...... 2020 B&W predictions : Sat Dec 28, 2019 7:42 pm  

Bombed Out wrote:

The thing is context is subjective and yours obviously reflects your defeatist attitude and low expectations you set yourself, in order to support your excuses.

Most teams will have aspirations of top 6, a few I dare say may except avoiding relagation and the others expecting a top 4 finish. Our recruitment has been excellent this season, we are spending above cap and employing the marquee ruling whether you like it or not.
To expect a top 4 finish from the squad assembled and quality within is by no means being unrealistic.
A lot will come down to mental attitude and coaching.
Nothing is a given but I'd be disappointed if we weren't competing for the top 4.
It's okay to have high hopes with the best team we've had in a long while and Wigan aside no other team has recruited as well as us.
I see the Leeds game as a benchmark akin to our 1st game of the 2016 season when we beat Catalan.

Wigan are weak in the forwards this year so dont see them in the top two or three.Burgess and Hastings cant carry the team for whole season.
It will be Warrington Saints and us for the top two.
We have some real power and pace this season and if we get a good start to the season and the confidence grows i cant see many teams getting on top of us.
Keeping some of the fringe players happy will be a big job for the coach.Just cant see the likes of Dawson getting a look in.Even Griffin and Connor may have to settle for a place on the bench.
That said i still like Connor at right centre with Ratu.

Re: So...... 2020 B&W predictions : Sat Dec 28, 2019 8:00 pm  

Bombed Out wrote:

The thing is context is subjective.

Exactly. We can all have different interpretations of Hull FC factors (coach, recent history, squad etc) and of other clubs (GF pedigree, financial status, coaches and so forth).

Bombed Out wrote:

yours obviously reflects your defeatist attitude and low expectations you set yourself, in order to support your excuses.

This is just silly and unnecessarily inflammatory IMO, unless that's what you were going for. I'm not defeatist, I'm optimistic (excited for next weekend) but realistic, with no sense of entitlement. I'm not setting low expectations (least of all for myself) just recognising the challenges we face whilst enjoying the journey.

Bombed Out wrote:

Most teams will have aspirations of top 6, a few I dare say may except avoiding relagation and the others expecting a top 4 finish.

That's pretty much what I said. We are aligned.

Bombed Out wrote:

Our recruitment has been excellent this season.

Props apart we agree once more.

Bombed Out wrote:

We are spending above cap.

Well, we've used exemptions in the past so this isn't a new thing, right? Homegrown dispensations, RU ones I think?

Bombed Out wrote:

employing the marquee ruling whether you like it or not.

Employing players earning a marquee salary and employing the rule itself aren't quite the same as was discussed in some detail regards multiple dispensations available on another thread.

Bombed Out wrote:

To expect a top 4 finish from the squad assembled and quality within is by no means being unrealistic. A lot will come down to mental attitude and coaching.

Expect away. The bandwidth exhausted on here by the Radford critics over an extended period would suggest it's unlikely. It's not long since we had some pretty extreme reactions to our 2019 unravelling, so to go from such a low ebb to confident of 4th is quite a leap, particularly as you reference the importance of coaching.

Bombed Out wrote:

Nothing is a given but I'd be disappointed if we weren't competing for the top 4.
It's okay to have high hopes with the best team we've had in a long while and Wigan aside no other team has recruited as well as us.

I agree again about the best team in a while. I would also point out though that Saints and Warrington didn't need to do much recruitment with trophies in their cabinet.

Bombed Out wrote:

I see the Leeds game as a benchmark akin to our 1st game of the 2016 season when we beat Catalan

Well let's hope so. It's at Headlingley, mind, what could possibly go wrong?

Re: So...... 2020 B&W predictions : Sat Dec 28, 2019 8:04 pm  

bonaire wrote:

Keeping some of the fringe players happy will be a big job for the coach.Just cant see the likes of Dawson getting a look in.Even Griffin and Connor may have to settle for a place on the bench.
That said i still like Connor at right centre with Ratu.

The starting 2-6 is a conundrum. I think Tuimavave and Fonua will be in there, but could be any 3 from Naulago, Faraimo, Swift, Connor, Griffin and Kelly. Hurrell needs marshalling in the first game that's for sure.

Re: So...... 2020 B&W predictions : Sun Dec 29, 2019 4:46 pm  

Bombed Out wrote:

I see the Leeds game as a benchmark akin to our 1st game of the 2016 season when we beat Catalan.

First game in 2016 was Salford at home. Impressive performance, especially in the first half when we ran in five tries to lead 26-6 although Salford improved after the break and it finished 42-20. The following week we went to Catalans and won 38-10 with Tuimavave and Talanoa on fire. We then lost three in a row culminating in the dressing room lock in at Widnes.

Re: So...... 2020 B&W predictions : Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:59 am  

With a bit of luck, we'll be alright.