Re: London calling : Mon Aug 19, 2024 12:56 pm  

Marcus's Bicycle wrote:

Apart from Ese-ese I'm struggling to pick who out of our current team would make that 17.

carlos?

Re: London calling : Mon Aug 19, 2024 1:14 pm  

Marcus's Bicycle wrote:

I think you are being premature. Wait until we play Wigan.

Nothing Wigan can do to us, that'll be worse then us being bottom of the league and lost, and lost comfortably by London.

Re: London calling : Mon Aug 19, 2024 1:39 pm  

Jake the Peg wrote:

carlos?

Good call. He was at his peak and one of the best centre's in SL at the time and was rightly awarded a long contract. Unfortunately through no fault of his own injuries decimated he career. This is likely to be his last year but he should be remembered as a stand out quality player in his prime.

Re: London calling : Mon Aug 19, 2024 1:49 pm  

Offy86 wrote:

Nothing Wigan can do to us, that'll be worse then us being bottom of the league and lost, and lost comfortably by London.

Not so sure. The record book might need updating at the end of the game. Another game to watch behind the settee that's for certain.

Re: London calling : Mon Aug 19, 2024 3:21 pm  

tommyfromhull wrote:

I’m still not convinced you can prevent a lot of injuries. Ruptured muscles and tendons, ligament damage, head knocks, broken fingers and shoulders etc are all very hard to prevent. S and C and fitness can help muscle strength and flexibility, but I do think we’ve just have incredibly bad luck with players and their fitness in recent years - as well as probably signing players with underlying injury issues in Trueman and Walker for example.

It really has been a perfect storm for us.

Luck plays a part but you only have to look at HKRs lack of injuries to see it does make a difference when you have competent backroom staff.
Whilst at HKR it was documented that they were working with Walker on certain leg muscle areas which seemed to work as the only matches he missed were for HIA

Re: London calling : Mon Aug 19, 2024 3:25 pm  

Marcus's Bicycle wrote:

Apart from Ese-ese I'm struggling to pick who out of our current team would make that 17.

Chamberlain and definitely Briscoe for either Swift or Ratu

Re: London calling : Mon Aug 19, 2024 3:28 pm  

bonaire wrote:

Luck plays a part but you only have to look at HKRs lack of injuries to see it does make a difference when you have competent backroom staff.
Whilst at HKR it was documented that they were working with Walker on certain leg muscle areas which seemed to work as the only matches he missed were for HIA

Just because things aren’t documented doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. You don’t go from being fit with one club one season to getting injured the next season with another team just because they don’t have a comparable physio team. Recovery, maybe, but actual injuries are hard to avoid.

Yes we’re lacking in the back room staff, but I still stand by the fact we’ve been very unlucky with injuries. 16/17 (not to dwell) we didn’t have many significant injuries. Saints across their recent success didn’t have huge amount of injuries.

The bigger issue is the quality of our squad. When we have injuries we don’t have quality to back it up. Top teams do.

[Chris71]

Re: London calling : Mon Aug 19, 2024 4:51 pm  

tommyfromhull wrote:

Just because things aren’t documented doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. You don’t go from being fit with one club one season to getting injured the next season with another team just because they don’t have a comparable physio team. Recovery, maybe, but actual injuries are hard to avoid.

Yes we’re lacking in the back room staff, but I still stand by the fact we’ve been very unlucky with injuries. 16/17 (not to dwell) we didn’t have many significant injuries. Saints across their recent success didn’t have huge amount of injuries.

The bigger issue is the quality of our squad. When we have injuries we don’t have quality to back it up. Top teams do.

I’d say a big factor is the weak mental strength that seems to be ingrained in the fabric of the team when it comes to adversity. Most teams find it galvanises them and they complete much harder, whereas we just crumble and fold at the slightest excuse.

What’s more concerning for me about Saturdays result and performance was it was the one game the squad and Coach had to get right and be up for the battle. We saw from the performance both on the field and by Grix as the stand in HC that we just weren’t anywhere near in any aspect be it effort, desire, pride or intelligence. Places for next season should not be taken for granted by the likes of Lane, Fash & Sao for example.

Myler and Cartwright have one hell of a job on their hands come pre season.

Re: London calling : Mon Aug 19, 2024 6:48 pm  

Chris71 wrote:

I’d say a big factor is the weak mental strength that seems to be ingrained in the fabric of the team when it comes to adversity. Most teams find it galvanises them and they complete much harder, whereas we just crumble and fold at the slightest excuse.

What’s more concerning for me about Saturdays result and performance was it was the one game the squad and Coach had to get right and be up for the battle. We saw from the performance both on the field and by Grix as the stand in HC that we just weren’t anywhere near in any aspect be it effort, desire, pride or intelligence. Places for next season should not be taken for granted by the likes of Lane, Fash & Sao for example.

Myler and Cartwright have one hell of a job on their hands come pre season.

I was talking about injuries and squad depth, but performance mentality use you’re spot on. We’re mentally weak as mickey and have been for a long time. That all comes from the top.

‘Culture’ has been talked about a lot and we’re way off. Asiata will help, as will the other experienced blokes we’re bringing in, but the main driver will be Cartwright. By all accounts he’s a no nonsense bloke and it’s exactly what we’ve been crying out for for decades.

Re: London calling : Thu Aug 22, 2024 2:43 pm  

Good to see Grix calling out Balmforth again, but nothing negative about Sao.