Re: DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings : Fri Oct 25, 2024 1:42 pm  

UllFC wrote:

It's not written well but I've interpreted it as pressure on anyone who isn't a Myler/Cartwright signing so players who've been there a while

My interpretation was the opposite and that the pressure is on any players who Myler & Cartwright have signed together.
These are players that Cartwright believes he can truly trust, therefore the pressure is on them to prove that he can and show the traits he believes they have.

It shows how weirdly worded the sentence was when 3 of us have all posted diffrerent answers on who the pressure is deemed to be on.

Re: DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings : Fri Oct 25, 2024 1:52 pm  

Roam Ranger wrote:

Yes, that is a bit weird. It sounds to me like he's saying the pressure is on Myler and Cartwright by basically saying they are the ones that have made the signing decisions. It's that last bit that makes me think this: We know what we're getting, and there's no excuses really.

But there shouldn't be pressure on anyone for me given the position we are in. Myler's had a lot of mess to clear up, Cartwright can't be expected to perform miracles, the young players are just that (young), new players need time to adapt and adjust, and we've seen how the existing players that remain have responded to pressure in the past.

Of course there is pressure. If it's another sheetshow of a season due to poor recruitment then those responsible should be held to account

Re: DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings : Fri Oct 25, 2024 2:13 pm  

Roam Ranger wrote:

I am sure we are all still hearing rumours. I've heard five this week ranging from him staying and there is no investment all the way to him selling up and leaving the club altogether. Have to agree that reading his comments this week in particular that it sounds like he's staying. But I'm still not ruling anything out. Perhaps he's sold up the majority of his stake and is remaining as CEO (that's another rumour I heard) which would require him still being a spokesperson for the club?

I can tolerate him staying as CEO if there is investment, while I have growing doubts about his ability, I don't doubt he does try and act in the clubs interest. It's just a lot of bad decisions have been made.

Also if the club contunues to struggles then Thirkhill would simply get a new CEO in anyway.

The key thing is money, it makes the world go round and even with a well coached team I'm not convinced you can win things without marquees now. For example take French, Field and Thompson out of Wigan you've probably got a 3rd/4th placed team not a champion one.

Re: DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings : Fri Oct 25, 2024 2:56 pm  

Roam Ranger wrote:

I am sure we are all still hearing rumours. I've heard five this week ranging from him staying and there is no investment all the way to him selling up and leaving the club altogether. Have to agree that reading his comments this week in particular that it sounds like he's staying. But I'm still not ruling anything out. Perhaps he's sold up the majority of his stake and is remaining as CEO (that's another rumour I heard) which would require him still being a spokesperson for the club?

I’m pretty convinced he’s keeping his majority stake and will still be the owner of the club. The ‘investment’ could be anything, I wouldn’t rule out something really underwhelming like some kind of sponsorship or partnership but hopefully it’s someone buying a decent enough chunk of shares to at least cut the penny pinching short term. It’s obvious that the bad decisions are being made out of desperation.

Re: DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings : Fri Oct 25, 2024 3:05 pm  

If Cartwright has had a say in all of the clubs recruitment i just hope he is a better coach than he is at recruitment.
There is no real quality in there apart from Asiata,certainly no pace and an ageing most likely injury prone squad just lacks excitement.
When Pearson says "I think the squad is capable of winning some games next year and at least competing in all games says it all for me as its hardly inspiring

Re: DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings : Fri Oct 25, 2024 3:19 pm  

bonaire wrote:

When Pearson says "I think the squad is capable of winning some games next year and at least competing in all games says it all for me as its hardly inspiring

Might not be inspiring but it is realistic. Which is a lot better than recent years when he's claimed we'll be challenging for the playoffs only for us to sink further down the table.

Re: DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings : Fri Oct 25, 2024 3:21 pm  

Hasbag wrote:

My interpretation was the opposite and that the pressure is on any players who Myler & Cartwright have signed together.
These are players that Cartwright believes he can truly trust, therefore the pressure is on them to prove that he can and show the traits he believes they have.

It shows how weirdly worded the sentence was when 3 of us have all posted diffrerent answers on who the pressure is deemed to be on.

Yes, that's how I read it too.
The pressure is on the new recruits to repay the faith the coach and DOR have shown in them by bringing them into the club. I guess the conversation went along the lines of 'we believe you can do a good job for us, come and join us here in rebuilding the club'

People usually respond well if they feel someone has faith in them, let's hope that's the case here, fingers crossed.

Re: DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings : Fri Oct 25, 2024 3:27 pm  

Roam Ranger wrote:

Might not be inspiring but it is realistic. Which is a lot better than recent years when he's claimed we'll be challenging for the playoffs only for us to sink further down the table.

Like you say RR, in recent years he's promised a lot but delivered very little.
Maybe he's decided to try the opposite, promise little, damp down expectations (not that any of us have any wild expectations for 2025!!) and then hopefully surprise everyone! The old reverse psychology trick!!

The only way is up, surely!!!

Re: DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings : Fri Oct 25, 2024 3:50 pm  

bonaire wrote:

If Cartwright has had a say in all of the clubs recruitment i just hope he is a better coach than he is at recruitment.
There is no real quality in there apart from Asiata,certainly no pace and an ageing most likely injury prone squad just lacks excitement.
When Pearson says "I think the squad is capable of winning some games next year and at least competing in all games says it all for me as its hardly inspiring

We are where we are, unfortunately, and there is no getting away from that fact.
I agree with you that the squad is hardly setting anyone's pulses racing and dreaming of big days out at finals, but we have an awful lot of damage to repair and we have to start somewhere. I think this squad has been put together for the sole purpose of stopping the rot and stopping us going backwards even further. Then we can hopefully address the issue of moving forward again. We are not going to go from 3 wins in 27 to being contenders in one fell swoop, it just doesn't happen that way I'm afraid.

It's probably been very hard to attract anyone half-decent to a club who have been going backwards for seven years now! If I was a RL player of decent quality I'd be looking somewhere else right now for gainful employment, and that's speaking as a die-hard fan of long-standing, but even I would find the club less than tempting at this point in time let alone a decent rugby player in the prime of his years!

I agree that the squad is underwhelming and I think the next twelve months are going to be another hard slog with only the odd afternoon to cheer us up a touch (although hopefully a few more afternoons than this year!) but I'm afraid we are going to have to grit our teeth and bear it. All the wishful thinking in the world isn't going to alter the reality of where we have dug ourselves into.

Re: DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings : Fri Oct 25, 2024 6:12 pm  

BP1 wrote:

Like you say RR, in recent years he's promised a lot but delivered very little.
Maybe he's decided to try the opposite, promise little, damp down expectations (not that any of us have any wild expectations for 2025!!) and then hopefully surprise everyone! The old reverse psychology trick!!

The only way is up, surely!!!

It is when you have previously finished bottom