Re: westerman : Wed Oct 14, 2015 3:59 pm  

Doom&Gloom Merchant wrote:

I don't think anyone would argue that Radford was appointed as a head coach way too soon in his career, and not one Hull fan would say they were happy with what we've done under his tenure these past two seasons.

That said, there are facets of our game that are good, such as our meter making, field position & defence, but other (probably more important) elements of our game that are substandard. Radford IMO isn't a bad coach, but he hasn't yet proven he's a good one either, and needs help, whether that me more experience on the coaching staff or an attacking expert.

My opinion has actually changed on Radford a bit this afternoon after seeing the Harlequins thread about McDermott as it has got me thinking seeing the parallels between their situation on the pitch back then and ours now. Before reading that I thought, as you mentioned, that Radders was appointed way too soon. But my personal opinion of him based on what we have seen so far is that he is a bad coach.

Now I'm having a rethink. Reading that thread it seems clear that Harlequins fans didn't rate McDermott in a similar way to how a lot of us don't rate Radford. The problems they cited on the field are a lot of things that we bemoan and McDermott was struggling to figure out what was going wrong and turn it around. Something Radford has admitted to in the past.

Yet McDermott has now just gone and won the treble with Leeds. Can he really be the same coach that the Harlequins fans wanted sacking? If anything it shows that back then he was unproven and at Leeds he's proven himself. Maybe that means that the next club that Radford coaches will benefit from him earning his stripes with us? Who knows. But what I would suggest is that he's had better tools and a better infrastructure to work with at Leeds than he did at Harlequins that's helped him achieve success. Is our set-up closer to the Leeds model or the Harlequins/Broncos model I wonder?

Re: westerman : Wed Oct 14, 2015 4:16 pm  

Sheldon wrote:

So it's 4 years now.

Did anyone tell Saints? Cunningham only had 2 years as assistant.

Nathan Brown didn't get 4. Nor Wayne Bennett. But Gentle did wtf?!?

There's no set formula, if you think someone's your best candidate you appoint them.

That is Bellamy's opinion- 4 years...

Re: westerman : Wed Oct 14, 2015 4:27 pm  

Mild mannered Janitor wrote:

Season passes are for sale at prices of up to £260, I used a broad brush figure of £200, that would account for VAT.

The SMC costs is exactly that, it would not affect the top line.

Regarding your comment in bold. That's your opinion and that's fair enough. Its not mine though. I saw no real reason to attend those last two games so when I had other offers of thing to do, I chose not to attend (despite having a season pass). As I mentioned earlier, I dont attend friendlies as a rule as they are nothing games, a little like the Hudds and Cats games.

Unfortunately most of our good performances came away from home.

I think your brioadbrush figure is way out. Even a top priced ticket is only just over £200 net of VAT. Add in kids tickets as low as £60 and concessions around £130 and I'd have said the average would be nearer £150.

You're right that the income figure wouldn't be affected by the SMC agreement but it's a fairly fundamental thing when we're actually considering profit/loss, not turnover.

As for your reasons for non attendance then I'll take your word for it but I doubt many of those attending weren't going because the games had no bearing on league position, but down to our general shatness at home

Re: westerman : Wed Oct 14, 2015 4:31 pm  

I think radford would have been in with a good shout of winning something in the last 3 years with this leeds squad. I'm not very convinced mcdermott is a great coach. Big test for mcdermott next season with sinfield and peacock going

Re: westerman : Wed Oct 14, 2015 5:05 pm  

Doc Brown wrote:

Reading through that is frightening as there's so many similarities there between Harlequins and what we appear to be going through. Some on there were talking about lack of ideas, poor tackling, failing to support etc and a need for an attacking coach. And it sounds like BM was as puzzled as Radders is now as to why it happens and what can be done to fix it.

I reckon BM knew that the players he had at London were limited and when he got the job at Leeds he probably found it a lot easier with massively higher calibre players.

[Frosties.]

Re: westerman : Wed Oct 14, 2015 5:57 pm  

Westerman has agreed terms with Leeds, but club haven't agreed a fee as of yet. Pearson not happy with agreeing a fee with Leeds due to previous player situations and the fact that hetherington won't stump up the 150k that Pearson wants. 1 year on westermans contract left and an unhappy player if he has to stay there.

Re: westerman : Wed Oct 14, 2015 5:58 pm  

ccs wrote:

.... so when only 6000 actually went to the Huddersfield match, it suggests that 2000 "core" supporters didn't bother.
Lets hope next season those 2000 start going again, otherwise income really will drop, or is that too difficult to understand?

We've done this one.

Crowd announced at 9300

plenty of walk ups, not passholders, so what was the crowd?

So what benefit does Pearson get from bleating about crowds smaller then Rovers

Re: westerman : Wed Oct 14, 2015 6:06 pm  

Frosties. wrote:

Westerman has agreed terms with Leeds, but club haven't agreed a fee as of yet. Pearson not happy with agreeing a fee with Leeds due to previous player situations and the fact that hetherington won't stump up the 150k that Pearson wants. 1 year on westermans contract left and an unhappy player if he has to stay there.

I hope Morleys "appearance" busts your salary cap.

If AP sells Westerman then he'll be done here "over my dead body" was his cry,

Then flogs 2 stars, one to the club he "hates"

Re: westerman : Wed Oct 14, 2015 6:16 pm  

frepneyboy wrote:

I hope Morleys "appearance" busts your salary cap.

If AP sells Westerman then he'll be done here "over my dead body" was his cry,

Then flogs 2 stars, one to the club he "hates"

I like Westerman (may come as a shock to some ) and hope this is wrong, but if the player has indicated he'll be leaving at the end of his contract it'd be daft to not cash in. £100k seems fair, not sure AP will get £150k.

I am worried that we don't have anyone as a direct replacement. (Please note anyone saying Abdull can will be ridiculed, nowhere near ready)

Re: westerman : Wed Oct 14, 2015 6:39 pm  

Staffs FC wrote:

I reckon BM knew that the players he had at London were limited and when he got the job at Leeds he probably found it a lot easier with massively higher calibre players.

add to that, a quality well resourced backroom staff..