Re: Radford out : Fri Sep 06, 2019 10:28 am  

Well everyone regular users, School yard squabblers, occasion participants and trolls are having their two penneth this morning and the passion shown on here, whichever angle it comes from, certainly sets us all apart from the players we watched last night. Views may differ but the fact that there are pages and pages on here show how much people care and love their club.

For what its worth and after all these pages and pages of recruitment woes and lack of investment, skill deficiencies and Radford out we are at last getting to what is in my humble opinion is the nub of the whole question and well done to Jake and a few others for mentioning the word Culture because for me that's what it is down to.

We have an good owner who gets it and has invested when he could but one that has for whatever reason been less and less visible and out spoken in the press and media over he last two seasons and although I'm sure he would take me to task for saying it he has become more and more anonymous as time has passed by. Then we have a coaching team who have won us the ultimate trophy and given us the greatest day in many of our lives but who have all been at the Club for years and who, the minute a mention is made of bringing in some new blood and new ideas to join them, shoot that suggestion down immediately.

That I guess indicates that should the owner offer it then it will be turned down too. Make of that what you will but for me, that stability and security of tenure to the point of being a 'fixture' must engender a feeling of freedom from scrutiny and if you like comfort. That then rubs off on the players who look to me to be simply far too at ease in their roles as well.

Our lot get everything they need and more and yet look to me as if they are chosing their battlefields themselves, we can play rugby and do it well but we only ever really seem to perform consistently in one competition the Challenge Cup. Could that be because we have tasted the glory of that and want it badly again? Wanting it badly being the important point! Do the players only do it when they want to and are the coaching staff struggling to stop that happening? Lets face it Connor's disruptive side should have been sorted months ago, (when I was a kid he would have been braded a big baby) but all we get is that 'he winds everyone up' as if that alright.

We have some really skilful players yet teams like London and Salford and even the Rovers of late, who don't have the squads or the quality of playing staff, have much more wanting and desperation than we have.

Castleford haven't been much this year but they played as if their lives depended on it last night, they swarmed round us in the tackle in that first 20 minutes and we couldn't get out of our half or match their enthusiasm in fact we were miles behind before we even looked to have any sort of urgency at all. The talent is there, the game plan is there (I think) and the ability to score tries is there for we have seen it gloriously displayed occasionally this season but its all about attitude and enthusiasm and the lack of that smacks to me of it all being just too comfortable and a bit like the tail is wagging the dog at times

Finding me taking part on a Radford out thread is something I thought I'd never do, but I'm not condoning the title at all but rather simply giving my angle on a discussion that brings out real passion from everyone; all Just my thoughts of course and what do I know anyway, I just stand on the touchline and despair!

Re: Radford out : Fri Sep 06, 2019 11:18 am  

The Dentist Wilf wrote:

Well everyone regular users, School yard squabblers, occasion participants and trolls are having their two penneth this morning and the passion shown on here, whichever angle it comes from, certainly sets us all apart from the players we watched last night. Views may differ but the fact that there are pages and pages on here show how much people care and love their club.

For what its worth and after all these pages and pages of recruitment woes and lack of investment, skill deficiencies and Radford out we are at last getting to what is in my humble opinion is the nub of the whole question and well done to Jake and a few others for mentioning the word Culture because for me that's what it is down to.

We have an good owner who gets it and has invested when he could but one that has for whatever reason been less and less visible and out spoken in the press and media over he last two seasons and although I'm sure he would take me to task for saying it he has become more and more anonymous as time has passed by. Then we have a coaching team who have won us the ultimate trophy and given us the greatest day in many of our lives but who have all been at the Club for years and who, the minute a mention is made of bringing in some new blood and new ideas to join them, shoot that suggestion down immediately.

That I guess indicates that should the owner offer it then it will be turned down too. Make of that what you will but for me, that stability and security of tenure to the point of being a 'fixture' must engender a feeling of freedom from scrutiny and if you like comfort. That then rubs off on the players who look to me to be simply far too at ease in their roles as well.

Our lot get everything they need and more and yet look to me as if they are chosing their battlefields themselves, we can play rugby and do it well but we only ever really seem to perform consistently in one competition the Challenge Cup. Could that be because we have tasted the glory of that and want it badly again? Wanting it badly being the important point! Do the players only do it when they want to and are the coaching staff struggling to stop that happening? Lets face it Connor's disruptive side should have been sorted months ago, (when I was a kid he would have been braded a big baby) but all we get is that 'he winds everyone up' as if that alright.

We have some really skilful players yet teams like London and Salford and even the Rovers of late, who don't have the squads or the quality of playing staff, have much more wanting and desperation than we have.

Castleford haven't been much this year but they played as if their lives depended on it last night, they swarmed round us in the tackle in that first 20 minutes and we couldn't get out of our half or match their enthusiasm in fact we were miles behind before we even looked to have any sort of urgency at all. The talent is there, the game plan is there (I think) and the ability to score tries is there for we have seen it gloriously displayed occasionally this season but its all about attitude and enthusiasm and the lack of that smacks to me of it all being just too comfortable and a bit like the tail is wagging the dog at times

Finding me taking part on a Radford out thread is something I thought I'd never do, but I'm not condoning the title at all but rather simply giving my angle on a discussion that brings out real passion from everyone; all Just my thoughts of course and what do I know anyway, I just stand on the touchline and despair!

Spot on Wilf, I thimk there is more than an elememt of comfort/complacency from Radford down, I found it very telling that Houghton wasn't interviewed, Ellis was. Radford soinded completely lost during his Radio Blunderside interview, he should have made a muxh sterner appraisal of Connor for example.

Re: Radford out : Fri Sep 06, 2019 11:34 am  

for me one of the first things I would do is give the captains armband to someone else, danny for all his attributes being captain isn't one of them

Re: Radford out : Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:20 pm  

The Dentist Wilf wrote:

Well everyone regular users, School yard squabblers, occasion participants and trolls are having their two penneth this morning and the passion shown on here, whichever angle it comes from, certainly sets us all apart from the players we watched last night. Views may differ but the fact that there are pages and pages on here show how much people care and love their club.

For what its worth and after all these pages and pages of recruitment woes and lack of investment, skill deficiencies and Radford out we are at last getting to what is in my humble opinion is the nub of the whole question and well done to Jake and a few others for mentioning the word Culture because for me that's what it is down to.

We have an good owner who gets it and has invested when he could but one that has for whatever reason been less and less visible and out spoken in the press and media over he last two seasons and although I'm sure he would take me to task for saying it he has become more and more anonymous as time has passed by. Then we have a coaching team who have won us the ultimate trophy and given us the greatest day in many of our lives but who have all been at the Club for years and who, the minute a mention is made of bringing in some new blood and new ideas to join them, shoot that suggestion down immediately.



That I guess indicates that should the owner offer it then it will be turned down too. Make of that what you will but for me, that stability and security of tenure to the point of being a 'fixture' must engender a feeling of freedom from scrutiny and if you like comfort. That then rubs off on the players who look to me to be simply far too at ease in their roles as well.

Our lot get everything they need and more and yet look to me as if they are chosing their battlefields themselves, we can play rugby and do it well but we only ever really seem to perform consistently in one competition the Challenge Cup. Could that be because we have tasted the glory of that and want it badly again? Wanting it badly being the important point! Do the players only do it when they want to and are the coaching staff struggling to stop that happening? Lets face it Connor's disruptive side should have been sorted months ago, (when I was a kid he would have been braded a big baby) but all we get is that 'he winds everyone up' as if that alright.

We have some really skilful players yet teams like London and Salford and even the Rovers of late, who don't have the squads or the quality of playing staff, have much more wanting and desperation than we have.

Castleford haven't been much this year but they played as if their lives depended on it last night, they swarmed round us in the tackle in that first 20 minutes and we couldn't get out of our half or match their enthusiasm in fact we were miles behind before we even looked to have any sort of urgency at all. The talent is there, the game plan is there (I think) and the ability to score tries is there for we have seen it gloriously displayed occasionally this season but its all about attitude and enthusiasm and the lack of that smacks to me of it all being just too comfortable and a bit like the tail is wagging the dog at times

Finding me taking part on a Radford out thread is something I thought I'd never do, but I'm not condoning the title at all but rather simply giving my angle on a discussion that brings out real passion from everyone; all Just my thoughts of course and what do I know anyway, I just stand on the touchline and despair!

Does anybody at the club read these forums Wilf?

[Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy]

Re: Radford out : Fri Sep 06, 2019 2:24 pm  

As I've just said on the VT - put Wane in charge of your squad from next season and you'd win the GF within two years.

Re: Radford out : Fri Sep 06, 2019 2:39 pm  

Wilde 3 wrote:

Ive heard a rumour Radford is considering an assistant position in the NRL. His Mrs likes the idea of Australia but it's about their
kids

Thats one for April 1

Re: Radford out : Fri Sep 06, 2019 2:48 pm  

ComeOnYouUll wrote:

Radford's record in September

2014 LW
2015 LLLL
2016 LLWLL
2017 LWWL
2018 LLLL
2019 L

W4 L16

Radfords record for the last two seasons is very poor.
He is very lucky to have Pearsons backing.

Re: Radford out : Fri Sep 06, 2019 2:59 pm  

Mild mannered Janitor wrote:

In Radfords defence, he does not make the individual errors on the pitch. There are too many players only putting their hands up when thing go well and a few who need to look at themselves in the mirror and ask if they are really putting in a shift. This is a thread about the coach so I’ll not single out players, but there are 6 or 7 who fall into this bracket.

In the case against Radford, we used to be renowned for stern and brutal defending yet it seems paper thin with our own 20.

Our attacking creativity is just about non existent, especially close to the opposition line. This is not a new thing. Different players over the last 6 seasons, same coach.

Our attacking structure is poor. Our offensive line is the flattest of all SL clubs making it way too easy for the opposition to get in our faces and stifle us. Different players over the last 6 seasons, same coach.

Our line speed is very poor!

This season we have scored some great tries, but the reality is, they come from broken play or a miracle piece of skill, not through structure.

We lack leadership on the pitch. After Cas second try, only ten minutes into the game it was heads down from the captain and the senior players. That attitude needs to change, that comes from the coach.

Cas showed last night how all of the above should be executed and it resulted in a comfortable win for them.

2016/17 were good due to the cup wins and pushing Leeds close for a GF spot

2018 , granted, injuries did for us.

2019, there are no excuses anymore.

Thanks Lee, you will be fondly remembered for the cup wins, but to paraphrase many of your post match interviews “you put in loads of effort but can’t quite figure out how to put all the pieces of the jigsaw together”.

Mr Pearson, it’s time to make a big call.

I am losing all respect for Adam Pearson
He is deluded in thinking Radford is the right coach for this club
Your post outlines what we can all see on the field and a good coach would have rectified years ago.
Because you work hard doesnt mean you are good at your job and Pearson needs to start recognising this and not rewarding failure

Re: Radford out : Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:03 pm  

A recurring theme is that FC have the players to get to a grand final but that they underperform for some reason. Skill wise that might be true but there seems to be a major failing in the character of many of the players. Without character and a will to work for one another there will always be failure. A basic lack of talent can be mitigated to some extent by endeavour but without character and endeavour talent is just wasted. When they are led by someone like Radford who seems incapable of coming up wit a plan B or controlling his players you will continue to get what you have had over the last two seasons.

Re: Radford out : Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:09 pm  

Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy wrote:

As I've just said on the VT - put Wane in charge of your squad from next season and you'd win the GF within two years.

He may well win the GF for FC but not with the present squad. There would be quite a few leaving fairly sharpish or playing in the reserves.