Re: westerman : Wed Oct 14, 2015 10:06 am  

cant argue with that doc

Re: westerman : Wed Oct 14, 2015 10:39 am  

*1865* wrote:

No, I'm saying i'm not aware of any, but will happily bow to knowledge of any substantial eveidence. (relevant costs only please)

Yes you did, it's also complete nonsense figures as it won't happen. Anything you say to the contrary goes against what Pearson said himself about there being 8,000 'hardcore' and is no more than a hypothetical rumour! AKA scaremongering.

Who realistically thinks the club is going under? If it was even a remote possibility, do you think he'd have sanctioned the Pritchard/Manu deals?

If people are happy to be emotionally blackmailed in to supporting the club, that's fine. I'd rather the product on the field was the reason I went.

It really isn't a nonsense figure. You asked how many fans would it take to lose £500k of income and I gave you that figure. IT really is that simple and not nonsense.

You again fail spectacularly to see the bigger picture. Elements of the support base of the club has indicated its either backing off or is undecided as to how much it will commit to for next season. The owner, with already signed players is rightly concerned about how income will cover the contracted costs.

You then quote comments about "emotional blackmail", yet you are happy to believe the owner's claim of 8000 hardcore fans.

Make your mind up, other wise this circle will never end

Re: westerman : Wed Oct 14, 2015 10:47 am  

Jake the Peg wrote:

I'm surprised an accountant is ignoring VAT and you've also forgotten about the income sharing with the SMC so a more realistic drop in income for your scenario would be 150-200k. I appreciate that this doesn't include a likely drop off in additional income from shop sales etc.

Interesting that you didn't attend games which you saw as dead rubbers. I'd counter that and suggest that if you'd gone to the KC this season and enjoyed watching us play there you'd have gone to those games irrespective of whether they had any real meaning or not. We saw a drop off in people coming to games way before we even made the 8 and those games weren't meaningless. Other than 2 or 3 games at home (not all of which we won), we were awful to watch and there was a high probability of defeat at home which is why people stopped going IMO

Season passes are for sale at prices of up to £260, I used a broad brush figure of £200, that would account for VAT.

The SMC costs is exactly that, it would not affect the top line.

Regarding your comment in bold. That's your opinion and that's fair enough. Its not mine though. I saw no real reason to attend those last two games so when I had other offers of thing to do, I chose not to attend (despite having a season pass). As I mentioned earlier, I dont attend friendlies as a rule as they are nothing games, a little like the Hudds and Cats games.

Unfortunately most of our good performances came away from home.

Re: westerman : Wed Oct 14, 2015 11:43 am  

Sheldon wrote:

How long did McDermott spend under Smith, how did he put this tutelage into practice at London?

Radfords spent time with Noble, Mcrea and Gentle. Not one Hull fan can't think of a coach they'd rather have but we don't have to bend things to suit our argument.

McDermott spent 2 years under a proven Head coach ,then 4 years at London.

Radford has never learnt his trade as an assistant, under a proven Head Coach..

I can think of a few coaches,I'd rather have, however I feel
we need an addition of an attack coach,who has not been part of this club's fabric,since Cooke left.

Re: westerman : Wed Oct 14, 2015 12:01 pm  

Mild mannered Janitor wrote:

It really isn't a nonsense figure. You asked how many fans would it take to lose £500k of income and I gave you that figure. IT really is that simple and not nonsense.

It's absolutely complete nonsense to think we'll lose 2,000 passholders from last year.

Mild mannered Janitor wrote:

You again fail spectacularly to see the bigger picture. Elements of the support base of the club has indicated its either backing off or is undecided as to how much it will commit to for next season.

I haven't missed that point at all, i've just blamed Perason's constant talk of top 4, Wembley and false promises for it.

Mild mannered Janitor wrote:

The owner, with already signed players is rightly concerned about how income will cover the contracted costs.

Would you commit to the spend if you couldn't envisage being able to meet it? I'm pretty sure Pearson wouldn't.

Mild mannered Janitor wrote:

You then quote comments about "emotional blackmail", yet you are happy to believe the owner's claim of 8000 hardcore fans.

Make your mind up, other wise this circle will never end

The emotional blackmail is when he's at award ceremonies telling people there may not be a club to support if they don't buy a pass. I merely suggested that was a load of bollox because of what he'd said about the 'core support'.


Not sure what else there is to be said, I like Pearson and i'm sure we'd be far worse off without him. I just don't like the threatening rhetoric surrounding this years pass sales. We'll be fine.

Re: westerman : Wed Oct 14, 2015 1:08 pm  

weaver93 wrote:

McDermott spent 2 years under a proven Head coach ,then 4 years at London.

Radford has never learnt his trade as an assistant, under a proven Head Coach..

I can think of a few coaches,I'd rather have, however I feel
we need an addition of an attack coach,who has not been part of this club's fabric,since Cooke left.

Who did he spend 2 years under? Tony Smith? Why was Smith a proven coach then and who did he spend 2 years under to make him proven?

Re: westerman : Wed Oct 14, 2015 1:25 pm  

On wiki it's got

Tony Smith
Hudds/Sheffield 2001/2003
Leeds 2004/2007

Jon Sharp Hudds 2003/2008

Brian McDermott
Hudds ass 2003/2005
London 2006/2010

How did McDermott get "qualified" when he didn't, at that time, play under a proven coach?

Re: westerman : Wed Oct 14, 2015 1:45 pm  

McDermott wasn't the most popular guy at Harlequins, it seems, ring any bells? viewtopic.php?f=27&t=428784

McDermott wasn't the most popular guy at Harlequins, it seems, ring any bells? viewtopic.php?f=27&t=428784

Re: westerman : Wed Oct 14, 2015 1:58 pm  

If I was McDermott I'd be seriously thinking of moving on. Only way is down from here for him.

Re: westerman : Wed Oct 14, 2015 2:34 pm  

Sheldon wrote:

Who did he spend 2 years under? Tony Smith? Why was Smith a proven coach then and who did he spend 2 years under to make him proven?

When Tony Smith took over at Huddersfield, he gelled them into a cohesive team, so he is proven as a Head Coach.-IMO

He must have been good, for Leeds to entice him away under contract,and move Powell 'upstairs'.