Re: St Helens Pre Match Chat : Mon Feb 21, 2022 5:16 pm  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

I am pleased the RFL took a stance on Gale pushing the trainer out of the way....

and here's me thinking it was the trainer pushing Gale out of the way.

Re: St Helens Pre Match Chat : Mon Feb 21, 2022 5:17 pm  

Chris71 wrote:

Its not that Gale is being banned that's the issue for me but the severity of the ban along with the inconsistency in the offences and the differences in punishments dished out across the teams. Its seems pretty clear to me that as a club along with our neighbours across the river we seem to fair differently than the likes of St's, Leeds and Wigan when you look at comparable offences and the subsequent penalties handed out. That's not conspiracy its an honest opinion based on what is evident in both written and video form.

Sorry, Chris, that's just nonsense. Lets see your proof.

Re: St Helens Pre Match Chat : Mon Feb 21, 2022 5:39 pm  

ComeOnYouUll wrote:

What are you on about now?

The refs and the RFL don't hate us, they aren't biased.

Go on then, explain the glaring inconsistencies.

Re: St Helens Pre Match Chat : Mon Feb 21, 2022 5:55 pm  

Mike1970 wrote:

Go on then, explain the glaring inconsistencies.

I can't explain something that doesn't exist.

[Chris71]

Re: St Helens Pre Match Chat : Mon Feb 21, 2022 6:01 pm  

ComeOnYouUll wrote:

Chris71 wrote:

Its not that Gale is being banned that's the issue for me but the severity of the ban along with the inconsistency in the offences and the differences in punishments dished out across the teams. Its seems pretty clear to me that as a club along with our neighbours across the river we seem to fair differently than the likes of St's, Leeds and Wigan when you look at comparable offences and the subsequent penalties handed out. That's not conspiracy its an honest opinion based on what is evident in both written and video form.

Sorry, Chris, that's just nonsense. Lets see your proof.

Take a look through the disciplinary panels own rap sheets even recent ones from this season alone just an example of inconsistencies: Austin and Dwyer both banned for the same offence that Hurrell committed and was charged with yet no action or ban for Hurrell. Considering the any flexion of the neck was something the RFL made clear would be dealt with firmly how do St’s and Hurrell escape punishment that the RFL have already dished out for the same offence? Also the shove by Lees on Swift caused a huge flexion of the neck but the panel view it as misconduct by Swift for being in the way and lees running through the back of Swift because Lees had his eyes in the ball and didn’t see Swift stood there. Had that been the other way around I’m pretty sure a penalty and card would have been issued as has been shown before. That’s just two from the game without the Roby decision of it being head to arm due to player duckibg yet other occasions have lead to bans for players regardless of opposing player ducking or falling in to the tackle due the the RFL stating tackler has a responsibility blah blah. Then the laughable call by the VR to not just call a penalty in Wynn for making a tackle but then compound it by issuing a yellow card. So in just our game alone on Saturday that’s more than enough inconsistency which is there to see.

It’s this level of not just inconsistency and uneven way clubs and players are dealt with but also the incompetence that begs the question and leads fans to rightly question things.

Re: St Helens Pre Match Chat : Mon Feb 21, 2022 6:14 pm  

Chris71 wrote:

Take a look through the disciplinary panels own rap sheets even recent ones from this season alone just an example of inconsistencies: Austin and Dwyer both banned for the same offence that Hurrell committed and was charged with yet no action or ban for Hurrell. Considering the any flexion of the neck was something the RFL made clear would be dealt with firmly how do St’s and Hurrell escape punishment that the RFL have already dished out for the same offence? Also the shove by Lees on Swift caused a huge flexion of the neck but the panel view it as misconduct by Swift for being in the way and lees running through the back of Swift because Lees had his eyes in the ball and didn’t see Swift stood there. Had that been the other way around I’m pretty sure a penalty and card would have been issued as has been shown before. That’s just two from the game without the Roby decision of it being head to arm due to player duckibg yet other occasions have lead to bans for players regardless of opposing player ducking or falling in to the tackle due the the RFL stating tackler has a responsibility blah blah. Then the laughable call by the VR to not just call a penalty in Wynn for making a tackle but then compound it by issuing a yellow card. So in just our game alone on Saturday that’s more than enough inconsistency which is there to see.

It’s this level of not just inconsistency and uneven way clubs and players are dealt with but also the incompetence that begs the question and leads fans to rightly question things.

You said Leeds were dealt favourably then used two Leeds players who were banned to prove your point?

Re: St Helens Pre Match Chat : Mon Feb 21, 2022 6:18 pm  

Take a look at the official stats for penalties/cards. We are pretty average. Most penalised clubs in recent seasons

2021
1 Leeds
2 Wigan
3 Salford
4 St Helens
9 Hull FC

2020
1 Cas
2 Wigan
3 Rovers
4 Wakefield
10 Hull FC

2019
1 Catalans
2 Salford
3 Rovers
4 Warrington
12 Hull FC

2018
1 Huddersfield
2 Catalans
3 Warrington
4 Cas
9 Hull FC

But yes the refs and the RFL hate us.

[Chris71]

Re: St Helens Pre Match Chat : Mon Feb 21, 2022 6:22 pm  

christopher wrote:

You said Leeds were dealt favourably then used two Leeds players who were banned to prove your point?

Leeds players have been dealt with more favourably in previous seasons yes. The two players I’ve used are recent examples of inconsistencies already this season. In Austin & Dwyer both are ones that have committed the same offences as Hurrell and was charged with yet those two players got bans and Hurrell escapes without even though the RFL were deeming these incidents more severely.

Re: St Helens Pre Match Chat : Mon Feb 21, 2022 6:28 pm  

Chris71 wrote:

Leeds players have been dealt with more favourably in previous seasons yes..

No they haven’t.

[Chris71]

Re: St Helens Pre Match Chat : Mon Feb 21, 2022 6:31 pm  

ComeOnYouUll wrote:

Take a look at the official stats for penalties/cards. We are pretty average. Most penalised clubs in recent seasons

2021
1 Leeds
2 Wigan
3 Salford
4 St Helens
9 Hull FC

2020
1 Cas
2 Wigan
3 Rovers
4 Wakefield
10 Hull FC

2019
1 Catalans
2 Salford
3 Rovers
4 Warrington
12 Hull FC

2018
1 Huddersfield
2 Catalans
3 Warrington
4 Cas
9 Hull FC

But yes the refs and the RFL hate us.

I haven’t said they hate us. I have simply stated that clubs are not dealt with evenly by the disciplinary when dishing out punishment for offences committed. So stats on the number penalties and cards is pretty irrelevant as doesn’t show the inconsistency of offence v punishment which is the issue for me.

Though you seem to give the impression you think the officials are infallible and perfect and the Wynn penalty snd card was just? That decision alone highlights the poor officiating standard when an onfield ref and VR with the help of reply’s to look at still get and got it so wrong