Re: westerman : Tue Oct 13, 2015 8:28 pm  

It's a really kind offer but might have to pass on that one. Cheers. How about Achurch for old man ellis? Even though Redford could play a few of those 12 I mentioned at prop, Westerman must be going somewhere as no point having 6 of them watching from stands. I think you need to keep faith in Radford. Reminds me of McDermott and Cunningham, good honest man trying to build something. He has not had the advantages of McDermott, like Sinfield , McGuire, burrow - 10 years of experience running the show. However, the cycle turns and ours may be coming to an end. We had 20 odd years without winning when we kept changing and spending etc. got success when we finally starting building from within. Trust Abdull and the others

Re: westerman : Tue Oct 13, 2015 8:30 pm  

Mark Laurie wrote:

It's a really kind offer but might have to pass on that one. Cheers. How about Achurch for old man ellis? Even though Redford could play a few of those 12 I mentioned at prop, Westerman must be going somewhere as no point having 6 of them watching from stands. I think you need to keep faith in Radford. Reminds me of McDermott and Cunningham, good honest man trying to build something. He has not had the advantages of McDermott, like Sinfield , McGuire, burrow - 10 years of experience running the show. However, the cycle turns and ours may be coming to an end. We had 20 odd years without winning when we kept changing and spending etc. got success when we finally starting building from within. Trust Abdull and the others

Too many haven't got the patience, unfortunately.

Re: westerman : Tue Oct 13, 2015 8:44 pm  

Mark Laurie wrote:

It's a really kind offer but might have to pass on that one. Cheers. How about Achurch for old man ellis? Even though Redford could play a few of those 12 I mentioned at prop, Westerman must be going somewhere as no point having 6 of them watching from stands. I think you need to keep faith in Radford. Reminds me of McDermott and Cunningham, good honest man trying to build something. He has not had the advantages of McDermott, like Sinfield , McGuire, burrow - 10 years of experience running the show. However, the cycle turns and ours may be coming to an end. We had 20 odd years without winning when we kept changing and spending etc. got success when we finally starting building from within. Trust Abdull and the others

Mcdermott learnt his trade under Tony Smith,as did Cunningham under Nathan Brown,

Radford hasnt had that vital tutelage under an experienced Head Coach..

Pearson hasnt afforded Radford that luxury.

Re: westerman : Tue Oct 13, 2015 8:58 pm  

It's a fair point. Maybe an old experienced guy to give advice may be way to go. Like sheens at salford. I just think it takes time and chopping and changing all time does not work. All the different halves hull have had over last 10-12 years compared to leeds having the same 3. I'm not close to it but he strikes me as a guy trying to do the right things. It is a big job as first one though - totally agree. With Abdull and turgut though and possibly Tyson-wilson( not seen him) you could have 3 for next 10 years. Last thing you need is to bring in an Aussie coach who signs 2 nrl talented bad lads and off you go again

Re: westerman : Tue Oct 13, 2015 9:09 pm  

Mark Laurie wrote:

It's a fair point. Maybe an old experienced guy to give advice may be way to go. Like sheens at salford. I just think it takes time and chopping and changing all time does not work. All the different halves hull have had over last 10-12 years compared to leeds having the same 3. I'm not close to it but he strikes me as a guy trying to do the right things. It is a big job as first one though - totally agree. With Abdull and turgut though and possibly Tyson-wilson( not seen him) you could have 3 for next 10 years. Last thing you need is to bring in an Aussie coach who signs 2 nrl talented bad lads and off you go again

Personally,I feel he needs either an attack coach, or an older head, or both.

The owner isnt doing him any favours,regarding coaching staff.

Re: westerman : Tue Oct 13, 2015 9:42 pm  

Mild mannered Janitor wrote:

No, a nothing game, is nothing to do with the coach at all.

The position of the team in the league is not solely down to Radford. The facts of the matter are, there are better teams with better players in the league. Wayne Bennett would not have turned our squad into world beaters. Certainly towards the end of the season when we had a significant amount of injuries, we were stretched to the max. Were the injuries the coaches fault?

The games against Hudds and Cats at the end of the Super 8's held nothing of interest to Hull FC. That's nothing to do with Radford or anyone else who may have been in charge if it were not Radford.

In a similar way, I would not feel the need to attend a pre season friendly game. There is nothing really at stake.

I didn't attend as there was nothing of interest in the game and I invest a significant amount of time and travel into each home game I attend.

We do not have a given right to be at the top end of the league, especially when there are better squads with less injuries. It would appear some have not been around the block with Hull FC enough times to realise this.

Top post MMJ.

Re: westerman : Tue Oct 13, 2015 10:31 pm  

Marcus's Bicycle wrote:

You need a back rower we need a centre. Westerman for Watkins

great idea like it

Re: westerman : Wed Oct 14, 2015 9:08 am  

weaver93 wrote:

Mcdermott learnt his trade under Tony Smith,as did Cunningham under Nathan Brown,

Radford hasnt had that vital tutelage under an experienced Head Coach..

Pearson hasnt afforded Radford that luxury.

How long did McDermott spend under Smith, how did he put this tutelage into practice at London?

Radfords spent time with Noble, Mcrea and Gentle. Not one Hull fan can't think of a coach they'd rather have but we don't have to bend things to suit our argument.

Re: westerman : Wed Oct 14, 2015 9:40 am  

Sheldon wrote:

How long did McDermott spend under Smith, how did he put this tutelage into practice at London?

Radfords spent time with Noble, Mcrea and Gentle. Not one Hull fan can't think of a coach they'd rather have but we don't have to bend things to suit our argument.

Good post Shel, saves me the time.

Re: westerman : Wed Oct 14, 2015 9:58 am  

*1865* wrote:

Too many haven't got the patience, unfortunately.

I don't think it's just about lack of patience now for some fans but also a lack of trust in the club. We've been on a steady decline for about 10 years now from a time when we looked like we could have been on the verge of something special (two Top 4 finishes between 2004 and 2007 and 5th the other seasons) but despite this decline the club has always promised "jam tomorrow" during this period. Fans are (rightly or wrongly) running out of patience and want their jam today. Personally I think that with the signings we have made for next season and our up and coming youngsters that we could actually see the club deliver something pretty exciting in the near future.

The problem is that once people are losing patience they're starting to question the clubs actions be it coaching appointments, the academy merger etc. Just look at the divisive takes on the state of our finances in this thread. It's gotten to a point now where some have just lost complete faith in the club and don't believe anything that AP has to say.

I mentioned earlier that I think we could be in for something pretty exciting soon. I'm still not convinced that Radford is the man to be leading us and deliver on the potential I see (in fact he's very lucky to still be in a job IMO after winning only five matches from June onwards) but we've built him "his" team for next year and hopefully he can prove me wrong. Personally, I think we lack (and have done for quite some time) experience in the coaching ranks so I'd be all for someone coming into the club in a similar way to Sheens at Salford to help him out. Either that or an attacking coach added to our ranks.