[Kosh]

: Fri Jun 26, 2009 6:55 am  

Jake the Peg wrote:

I've said plenty of times that agar is operating in difficult circumstances, but that's when great leaders show their mettle. agar has shown nothing to me, and many others, to suggest that he has the ability to coach a group of people to achieve their maximum potential.

Do you honestly believe that he is getting the best out of the players he has available to him?

This is the killer point for me. There's no doubting that Agar has had to deal with some bad luck, and the squad isn't the best, but he should have dealt with it better.

: Fri Jun 26, 2009 7:16 am  

Kosh wrote:

This is the killer point for me. There's no doubting that Agar has had to deal with some bad luck, and the squad isn't the best, but he should have dealt with it better.

This is what the majority of those who defend agar seem to miss or ignore. Other than a couple of youngsters, not one player is showing their best form under agar, and the youngsters are more likely to be down to natural progression rather than anything agar has done.

I've seen plenty of good coaches do much better with a poorer group of players than agar is working with now. A good coach would be getting the absolute maximum out of the players he has to work with. agar isn't. It isn't his fault, I'm sure he's putting in 100% every day but he just isn't up to it

: Fri Jun 26, 2009 7:24 am  

Jake the Peg wrote:

Nah, determined to get rid of the useless wessie fugger

How are you going to do that? By moaning about him on an internet message board

: Fri Jun 26, 2009 7:28 am  

carl_spackler wrote:

But your point is still redundant, you're putting the cart before the horse.

You believe impact comes before solid go forward, I disagree. I can't think of many props that can single handedly leave the bench and transform a beaten pack, certainly not Lauaki.

: Fri Jun 26, 2009 7:42 am  

Mrs Barista wrote:

Stadium with a capacity of 12,000 or more. 1
Ground meets the standards of a premier competition in the 21st century 1
Average attendance of around 10,000 spectators 1
Stadium operating at 40 per cent capacity (40% of 23,000 = 9,200) 1
Solvent. 1
Turnover is more than £4 million. 1
Averaging a place in the top eight over each of the last three seasons. 0
Contribution to home-grown player development. That means at least eight members of a first-team squad of 25 should be discovered, trained and developed in the team's home country (United Kingdom or France) 1
Not committed a major breach of the salary cap in the last three seasons 1
No other rugby league club within a 20-mile radius. 0

8 points, isn't it?

8 or more points - A licence
5-7 points - B licence
4 points or less - C licence

Just have to keep the crowds above 10k.

And hope city don't extend the stadium, and hope that falling crowds don't result in significantly reduced turnover and possibly solvency

: Fri Jun 26, 2009 7:44 am  

PAUL M wrote:

How are you going to do that? By moaning about him on an internet message board

I'm hoping rule eventually sees the light when he's reading my posts

[Kosh]

: Fri Jun 26, 2009 7:52 am  

Dr Hfuhruhurr wrote:

You believe impact comes before solid go forward, I disagree. I can't think of many props that can single handedly leave the bench and transform a beaten pack, certainly not Lauaki.

Carvell did it for us. And Feka for Wigan on the odd occasion.

[Kosh]

: Fri Jun 26, 2009 7:53 am  

Jake the Peg wrote:

This is what the majority of those who defend agar seem to miss or ignore. Other than a couple of youngsters, not one player is showing their best form under agar, and the youngsters are more likely to be down to natural progression rather than anything agar has done.

I've seen plenty of good coaches do much better with a poorer group of players than agar is working with now. A good coach would be getting the absolute maximum out of the players he has to work with. agar isn't. It isn't his fault, I'm sure he's putting in 100% every day but he just isn't up to it

Pretty much how I see it TBH.

: Fri Jun 26, 2009 7:55 am  

Jake the Peg wrote:

I'm hoping rule eventually sees the light when he's reading my posts

Well I hope you're successful

: Fri Jun 26, 2009 8:03 am  

Kosh wrote:

Carvell did it for us. And Feka for Wigan on the odd occasion.

But, wouldn’t it be better to be in a position were you didn’t have to rely on ‘impact’ from the bench to get on the front foot. Surely go forward is more important then impact, just look at Queensland, permanently on the front foot largely thanks to Price and Civonocina (sp). I’d rather have so is on the front foot from the off, rather then having to rely on one player to turn the game from the bench.