Re: Catalan home game : Fri Feb 24, 2017 12:55 pm  

Diogenes wrote:

No complaints about the result. We tried hard but lacked direction in attack and played some dumb rugby. Too many of our big name players had an off day. We badly missed Ellis and Kelly. Cats had a good game plan and executed it well, aided and abetted by Hicks, but poor as he was, he didn't lose us the the match, we did that ourselves. Very disappointing but there's a lot of rugby left yet. Hoping for a better show against Huddersfield. COYH.

Poor refereeing decisions against both sides. The one that could have been most telling was the disallowing of the Inu "try". That possibly kept you in the game. Expect this to be a low point for you and things will probably get better as too many good players did not perform as expected last night.

Re: Catalan home game : Fri Feb 24, 2017 1:06 pm  

Chris71 wrote:

Agree with the highlighted bit and think this is going to be a conumdrum all season with regards Fonua/Carlos/Micheals. Do think after seeing Fonua devastate defences last season in the centre role he is wasted on the wing as we lose a lot of what he adds when at playing centre.

I dont get all this going on about him being on the wing
He was our top metre man last night and wakey I think..so that's valuable to us..But he's an error machine at the min and was in pre season. He'd be worse still if we added play making decisions on him as well.
Not to menton the fact in D he's always been a ltitle erratic and Carlos has 2 impecable defensive displays in 2 games under his belt and looks to have a real understanding with Manu
I'd be 5 games in with kelly at 6 before I thought about changing it up
Fonua has managed so far at storm and Tonga before us not to be set to either wing or centre. But in this league for me I still see him being a carney style weapon on the wing rather than another big physical centre of which the leagues full of

Re: Catalan home game : Fri Feb 24, 2017 1:42 pm  

airliebird,runninglate! wrote:

I dont get all this going on about him being on the wing
He was our top metre man last night and wakey I think..so that's valuable to us..But he's an error machine at the min and was in pre season. He'd be worse still if we added play making decisions on him as well.
Not to menton the fact in D he's always been a ltitle erratic and Carlos has 2 impecable defensive displays in 2 games under his belt and looks to have a real understanding with Manu
I'd be 5 games in with kelly at 6 before I thought about changing it up
Fonua has managed so far at storm and Tonga before us not to be set to either wing or centre. But in this league for me I still see him being a carney style weapon on the wing rather than another big physical centre of with the leagues full of

Agree with this, Keep Fonua on the wing, defensively he really isn't great, getting him one on one with the opposing winger, high kicks into the corner or dabs through are where his strengths lie.

The main reason we lost was ill-discipline, players losing the plot making totally irrational decisions Taylor's especially but not the only one.
You know games like this are going to be tight, they already knew from the Wakey game that giving away needless penalties loses games.
It's a little worrying how far we are in the first two games this season compared to last season when we destroyed Salford and Cats with some great attacking and smart rugby.

How they react against Hudds will show us where we are, and we can't make excuses if a couple of players are absent, whilst Ellis has a big impact we are not a one man team.

Re: Catalan home game : Fri Feb 24, 2017 2:27 pm  

knockersbumpMKII wrote:

Agree with this, Keep Fonua on the wing, defensively he really isn't great, getting him one on one with the opposing winger, high kicks into the corner or dabs through are where his strengths lie.

The main reason we lost was ill-discipline, players losing the plot making totally irrational decisions Taylor's especially but not the only one.
You know games like this are going to be tight, they already knew from the Wakey game that giving away needless penalties loses games.
It's a little worrying how far we are in the first two games this season compared to last season when we destroyed Salford and Cats with some great attacking and smart rugby.

How they react against Hudds will show us where we are, and we can't make excuses if a couple of players are absent, whilst Ellis has a big impact we are not a one man team.

Agreed. His physical attributes made him the centre he was last year. Not finesse. Still has those but as you say his real game strengths are winger type attributes
I think the signs are that Sika and carlos have a real good combo starting..complimented each other a few times last night. Carlos is defensivley sound. Not had a sign yet in 2 games of the right side defensive weaknesses that plagued us all year last year. Once hull get some attacking mojo and grounds harden I think kelly n carlos could be a wingers dream..Fonua 1 on 1 is scoring everytime

Re: Catalan home game : Fri Feb 24, 2017 3:17 pm  

WIZEB wrote:

Didn't think we were on it at all and feared the worst when our captain departed.
Sika gave it a good shot and enjoyed Scotty T going a hunting.
2 points gone south that we won't be getting back.

But Scotty going a hunting as you say will probably see him cop a ban

Re: Catalan home game : Fri Feb 24, 2017 3:35 pm  

Best case scenario is we just had a bad day at the office, worst case scenario, last season was a flash in the pan and we're no more than a solid mid table team.

Last night was painful to watch and any Hull fan must have some nagging concerns after that. We still completely lack structure in attack. We didn't really challenge the catalans line on the few occasions we did manage to hold onto the ball and with sneyd continuing his form from last season we look clueless.

I'm not sure ellis would have made much difference TBH. Defensively we were very good but it was individual errors which really cost us any chance of winning the game. With even half decent ball control and discipline we would surely have taken the points with or without him.

So it could be a case of same old or next week could see us pick things up but we desperately need to find some form quickly or we'll be out of the running for top 4 by easter and looking over our shoulders at the middle 8's.

My only solace is that we surely can't play that badly again, can we?

Re: Catalan home game : Fri Feb 24, 2017 3:52 pm  

Thats it we are looking at bottom four ,Conner and Griffin not good enough ,Sneyd poor ,Thompson poor, bench not good enough, Radford got pre season wrong with two games to go we are doomed..Hang on two games played won one lost one by two points ,what planet are some of you on.We lost end of does that really mean the players are that bad? some need to get a reality check here.Without doubt Catalans had a game plan helped along by a poor ref who IMO should not be allowed to referee another SL game., not just on last night but every game he has control over he is poor .He was not the whole reason we lost but he frustrated the fans and the players and it lead to the most boring game i have watched.He was poor for both teams and some of his decisions were a joke.If every game was like that i would stop watching it, awfull to watch and i bet worse to play in.

Re: Catalan home game : Fri Feb 24, 2017 4:01 pm  

Wizard crane wrote:

Thats it we are looking at bottom four ,Conner and Griffin not good enough ,Sneyd poor ,Thompson poor, bench not good enough, Radford got pre season wrong with two games to go we are doomed..Hang on two games played won one lost one by two points ,what planet are some of you on.We lost end of does that really mean the players are that bad? some need to get a reality check here.Without doubt Catalans had a game plan helped along by a poor ref who IMO should not be allowed to referee another SL game., not just on last night but every game he has control over he is poor .He was not the whole reason we lost but he frustrated the fans and the players and it lead to the most boring game i have watched.He was poor for both teams and some of his decisions were a joke.If every game was like that i would stop watching it, awfull to watch and i bet worse to play in.

That's a relief then, it was all the referee's fault

Re: Catalan home game : Fri Feb 24, 2017 4:04 pm  

Jake the Peg wrote:

Best case scenario is we just had a bad day at the office, worst case scenario, last season was a flash in the pan and we're no more than a solid mid table team.

Last night was painful to watch and any Hull fan must have some nagging concerns after that. We still completely lack structure in attack. We didn't really challenge the catalans line on the few occasions we did manage to hold onto the ball and with sneyd continuing his form from last season we look clueless.

I'm not sure ellis would have made much difference TBH. Defensively we were very good but it was individual errors which really cost us any chance of winning the game. With even half decent ball control and discipline we would surely have taken the points with or without him.

So it could be a case of same old or next week could see us pick things up but we desperately need to find some form quickly or we'll be out of the running for top 4 by easter and looking over our shoulders at the middle 8's.

My only solace is that we surely can't play that badly again, can we?

Good post can't argue with any of that my thoughts exactly!

Re: Catalan home game : Fri Feb 24, 2017 4:06 pm  

I've just watched it back and Cats got a worse deal off the ref than us...jeez he was bad