Re: Do the stats really lie? : Wed Aug 31, 2011 2:27 pm  

Statistics are like a woman in a bikini: what they show is interesting but it's what they hide that's vital

Re: Do the stats really lie? : Wed Aug 31, 2011 2:36 pm  

cod'ead wrote:

Statistics are like a woman in a bikini: what they show is interesting but it's what they hide that's vital

Some bikinis hide very little

Re: Do the stats really lie? : Wed Aug 31, 2011 2:46 pm  

hullbg wrote:

As well as the majority of those 9 we won being bottom half opposition.

Of course had we lost them we would have been much lower down as a result. That's why it's just as important to beat bottom half opposition - that keeps them below you. Fantastic the way these leagues work really.

Re: Do the stats really lie? : Wed Aug 31, 2011 4:07 pm  

Staffs FC wrote:

Of course had we lost them we would have been much lower down as a result. That's why it's just as important to beat bottom half opposition - that keeps them below you. Fantastic the way these leagues work really.

No poop Sherlock. Can point out where i say results against the lower placed teams are immaterial?

Re: Do the stats really lie? : Wed Aug 31, 2011 4:15 pm  

hullbg wrote:

No poop Sherlock. Can point out where i say results against the lower placed teams are immaterial?

Not until you point out where I said you did.

Re: Do the stats really lie? : Wed Aug 31, 2011 4:32 pm  

I too was shocked when I saw some of Hull's stats on SL website:

- 4th most tries
- 4th most metres
- 3rd most carries
- 2nd most offloads
- 4th most tackle busts
- 3rd most clean breaks

Looking at this you wonder how we can be 8th in the league.

[Kosh]

Re: Do the stats really lie? : Wed Aug 31, 2011 4:48 pm  

tommyfromhull wrote:

I too was shocked when I saw some of Hull's stats on SL website:

- 4th most tries
- 4th most metres
- 3rd most carries
- 2nd most offloads
- 4th most tackle busts
- 3rd most clean breaks

Looking at this you wonder how we can be 8th in the league.

Because we lost games narrowly that we should have won, most of them against teams with even better stats. Plus we've pasted one or two of the teams below us this season which we've failed to do before.

This is why stats without context are misleading. Looking at those we should be a top 4 side but we fall just short far too often. That's down to the coach IMO.

Re: Do the stats really lie? : Wed Aug 31, 2011 5:11 pm  

Kosh wrote:

Because we lost games narrowly that we should have won, most of them against teams with even better stats. Plus we've pasted one or two of the teams below us this season which we've failed to do before.

This is why stats without context are misleading. Looking at those we should be a top 4 side but we fall just short far too often. That's down to the coach IMO.

Same old story, isn't it? Should have beaten teams we didn't and narrowly lost to others.

Re: Do the stats really lie? : Wed Aug 31, 2011 5:36 pm  

tommyfromhull wrote:

I too was shocked when I saw some of Hull's stats on SL website:

- 4th most tries
- 4th most metres
- 3rd most carries
- 2nd most offloads
- 4th most tackle busts
- 3rd most clean breaks

Looking at this you wonder how we can be 8th in the league.

Take Manu out of our team and you can forget them last 3 stats.

Re: Do the stats really lie? : Wed Aug 31, 2011 5:49 pm  

Without Manu we'd be -
Joint 5th tries
6th metres
8th carries
4th in Offloads
5th tackle busts
5th clean breaks

Not that this changes much but I think it proves (not that it was ever in doubt) that Manu is very much an important player for us & will be missed when he retires/changes clubs.