Re: rumours on twitter : Sun Jul 20, 2014 9:15 pm  

Dave K. wrote:

What a strange post, you defend Radford then basically moan about 4 of Radfords signings. Surely it is his fault that he signed Talanoa, Colbon, sa and Tuson.

Gentle did miles better with a simalar squad, if cannot see the number of mistakes Radford makes each week, then you aren't watching the right game.

Not sure how you can compare Wane who served his tine atWigan under one of the best coaches in the world.

His treatment of Crooks has been appalling, ok he hasn't been great, but neither have many others, but they haven't been treated the same way.

SA + Talanoa both Tony signings.
Colbon was a shoot in the dark and is on nothing wages but it all counts.
Tuson on paper great signing; injuries have made him a questionable one. Thompson signing easily makes up for him.
Like ive just said above the truth about crooks hasnt been released. He trains invdividually anyone who goes down to watch training will see this. Obviously more that "doesnt like him" told will be gone end of year

Re: rumours on twitter : Sun Jul 20, 2014 9:16 pm  

westhullprop wrote:

How pathetic? more like your a short sighted so called fan who because things havent gone the way everyone wanted your jumping ship.

If you are a fan i put this to you.

Two options at the start of the year:

1) continue as things where just scraping into the play offs with a decent cup run every few years; never really going to do any damage to the tp 4/6

2) Start a fresh with the backing of a good owner and clear out all the old rubbish and build as wign did a few years back.

No intention of jumping ship.I was here long before Radford and will still be here when hes gone(hopefully soon).If your happy to be languishing in 12th place then thats your perogative but I'm not looking forward to playing the likes of Leigh,Fev etc which we willl be if Radfords still our coach.

Re: rumours on twitter : Sun Jul 20, 2014 9:19 pm  

Legends and Icons wrote:

Great post but you won't get much support on here from the anti Radford hard liners that can't or won't see past their own noses . If you show any support to the coach your labelled a cheerleader

Keep kissing that butt.

Re: rumours on twitter : Sun Jul 20, 2014 9:21 pm  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

Not my place as a neutral, but some fairly obvious counter points:

Holds worth never played for you this year, and is registered to another club. I'm 90% certain therefore any off season pay off doesn't count on the cap - even if it did, given the tragic circumstances of his departure there are procedures in place for exemptions to be made - know it those as I do, it would of been an easy process for the club to be granted for it not to be counted on the cap - if they didn't apply for it it's their own fault.

I never thought any of your players were national conference standard - in fact I held your squad up as a shining example to arrogant Salford fans over the off season. EVEN if we assume those players ARE of that standard, the very easy question is the majority of those players got you to 6th and the cc final last year, yet you lavish in 12th now - so what's so different?

3/5 players (Colbon talona and sa?) were radford signings were they not? So how can the previous regime be responsible for their poor performances?

Back dated contracts don't work in this country (again to the best of my knowledge) as there's a line in the operational rules that reads "the date of the payments to a player is irrelevant, rather than the intention for which is was paid" so if a player signs a 4 year contract, he won't count on the cap if he leaves after the contract, because the contract is paying him for his 4 years of service, even if the contract payments run into year 5. So, for example, if you agree to pay a player £100k over 5 years for 4 years of service, he would still count as £25k a year on the cap.

thanks for your reply; radford has made mistakes but he has probably the worst talent/wages ratio in the league.
SA / Talanoa tony signings.
Trust me the club are still finiancially paying for the old regime.
I know of one player who is going home from england from a super leaugue club and now pearson has to fork out the "off shore" payments as he is going home which where agreed by previous regime. this is a big figure

Re: rumours on twitter : Sun Jul 20, 2014 9:23 pm  

Mars wrote:

Absolutely. Whether Crooks leaving is true or not (and I very much hope it's not), his treatment by Radford this season has been very, very poor. 19 SL tries, SL Dream Team and YPOTY to being alienated and, possibly, cast aside by a coach who is unable to nurture his talent and develop his game. Centres with the natural ability of Crooks do not come along very often, the fact his confidence and development have been damaged to the degree they have, in large part, IMO, due to poor coaching and poor man management is a disgrace. It's bad enough having to watch the sh*te we've been served up on the pitch this year, but watching our best young players being treated this way highlights to me the long term damage that could be done if things are not addressed in the very near future.

To lose a young player of Crooks ability and potential would go against everything AP has stated he stands for.

And I hope crooks senior tells radford what he thinks of him too

Re: rumours on twitter : Sun Jul 20, 2014 9:27 pm  

westhullprop wrote:

hi all,

Ive finally signed up after seeing enough hate towards radford without anyone knowing whats actually going on behind the scenes.

Majority go on like radford turns up; trains then picks the team and thats that.

Little know all the issues he and the club have; nobody on here would say anything to him in the same room?

A maxed out cap full of overpaid average national conference players who shaun mcrae and peter gentle brought in.

Players like arundel, jason crookes, miller are all top earners at the club; where are they now?

The paying off of holdsworth is also included in this years cap (not cheap)

All the below are seen if anyone pays attention to build up and training:

Ben Crookes has excellent potential but like most agents his seems to be in charge. Not going into detail but lets say he doesnt train and wont play again for hull.

Tuson - large wage / hardly played
Colbon - working in the community on first team budget
Talanoa - tries hard but very poor defensive reads cost a lot of points
SA - Has been a decent signing in my eyes but is crooked (doesnt train)
Pitts - tries hard but fc paying his wages to play for bradford

The issue at the moment i purely down to the old regime. They ran the club lik tomorrow would never come; with large back dated contracts and stupid wages. Well radford is having to pick up the pieces; why do you think no established coach wanted the job?

Give him at least another year; bring in someone who actually knows what they are doing to oversee lee / transfers and more importantly the academy set up.

Mcrae / Tony all established names but taking home a big wage and not doing a good enough job.

Pearson sending again next year shos his confidence in where the club coud be; wigan where nearly relegated a few years back and look were they are now (one of the only teams to not spend the cap)

They also questioned wades appointment.

RANT OFF

Er, didn't radford sign colbon, talanoa, sa and tuson?

Which established coaches were approached? Was the job advertised? Why has the crooks situation happened?

Re: rumours on twitter : Sun Jul 20, 2014 9:29 pm  

westhullprop wrote:

How pathetic? more like your a short sighted so called fan who because things havent gone the way everyone wanted your jumping ship.

If you are a fan i put this to you.

Two options at the start of the year:

1) continue as things where just scraping into the play offs with a decent cup run every few years; never really going to do any damage to the tp 4/6

2) Start a fresh with the backing of a good owner and clear out all the old rubbish and build as wign did a few years back.

3) put an inadequate coach in charge, who has no experience, dismantles the squad and replaces it with ordinary players like the ones you previously listed and takes us into the 2nd division

Re: rumours on twitter : Sun Jul 20, 2014 9:30 pm  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

Back dated contracts don't work in this country (again to the best of my knowledge) as there's a line in the operational rules that reads "the date of the payments to a player is irrelevant, rather than the intention for which is was paid" so if a player signs a 4 year contract, he won't count on the cap if he leaves after the contract, because the contract is paying him for his 4 years of service, even if the contract payments run into year 5. So, for example, if you agree to pay a player £100k over 5 years for 4 years of service, he would still count as £25k a year on the cap.

Not true

Re: rumours on twitter : Sun Jul 20, 2014 9:31 pm  

deslawson wrote:

Keep kissing that butt.

Don't/didn't you sponsor players ?

Re: rumours on twitter : Sun Jul 20, 2014 9:34 pm  

Who wants to take a bet for charity of hull in the play offs next year?
Next year the club will also have a grade A academy structure for the first time; only let down previously due to not enough locally produced players in the first team.
Tony signs all over seas players as did bomber previously.
Crooks will come out eventually; then you can all take back your word on how badly radford has treated him.