Re: Houghton : Wed Jun 15, 2011 6:28 pm  

Standee wrote:

Saints have had other creative players than Cunningham.

And Swain wasn't "creative", he milked penalties and was great at acting half with the first pass.

IMHO

Who was saying that the hooker had to be the creative player? The question was whether or not a hooker was a player to build around. The distribution from dummy half is essential to be creative, without necessarily being where the creativity happens. The hookers have to lay the groundwork for the creative players to be able to produce, by providing the time and space they need.

The 2 examples I gave were not intended to be of 2 creative hookers, they simply display that building around a hooker who can consistently choose the right option from dummy half and distribute accurately is an essential part of building a good attacking side, not the defensive option you stated. In fact, if you look at the top 6 sides I think it's probably Wigan who are the least based around their hooker, and they are also the most defensive-based IMO.

Re: Houghton : Wed Jun 15, 2011 9:50 pm  

How did leeds win 3 GF's with diskin as hooker?

Re: Houghton : Wed Jun 15, 2011 10:29 pm  

I would be amazed if any club in the NRL wanted Danny Houghton.

Saying that, Michael Worrincy went over there......

Re: Houghton : Thu Jun 16, 2011 5:52 am  

Jake the Peg wrote:

How did leeds win 3 GF's with diskin as hooker?

Stick him with Webb, McGuire, Burrow and Sinfield then you have your pivots. Saying that they replaced him with Buderus.

Re: Houghton : Thu Jun 16, 2011 6:02 am  

PAUL M wrote:

Stick him with Webb, McGuire, Burrow and Sinfield then you have your pivots. Saying that they replaced him with Buderus.

And they're worse. You saying diskin > buderus?

Re: Houghton : Thu Jun 16, 2011 6:24 am  

Houghton is young, homegrown, off quota and a bone fide Super League player with a very good injury record. He will improve, because he seemingly also has a good attitude to his rugby.
What else do people want?!

Re: Houghton : Thu Jun 16, 2011 7:22 am  

Jake the Peg wrote:

And they're worse. You saying diskin > buderus?

I said that?

One man does not make a team. Leeds had important players all over the park and had been coached really well which is why they had their success.

Re: Houghton : Thu Jun 16, 2011 7:24 am  

PAUL M wrote:

I said that?

One man does not make a team. Leeds had important players all over the park and had been coached really well which is why they had their success.

Indeed, we have the players.................

Re: Houghton : Thu Jun 16, 2011 7:26 am  

Standee wrote:

Indeed, we have the players.................

Not to win trophies we don't imo. To compete for the top four, yes with the right coach. We would need to add addition players to win things.

Re: Houghton : Thu Jun 16, 2011 7:28 am  

PAUL M wrote:

Not to win trophies we don't imo. To compete for the top four, yes with the right coach. We would need to add addition players to win things.

can't disagree Paul

but it looks like our recruitment is going to be as disappointing as ever in the important positions