Re: Contract Talks & FCs Future : Thu May 07, 2020 6:57 am  

ComeOnYouUll wrote:

:roll:

A perfect example of the complete ignorance of Covid-19 bandied around on social media.

Indeed, there isn't even anecdotal evidence that having had C-19 once provides immunity, let alone proven impirical medical evidence. There are 14 (current) variants, it is an RNA type virous so mutation is slow but continuous. If natural immunity to any RNA was so straightforward we wouldn't have seasonal flu jabs for influenza, some people (especially who take posts on Facebook as fact, without reading the wider science) don't seem to understand that C-19 hasn't been an actual cause of death in the vast majority of cases, the usual cause is Pneumonia and/or other underlying conditions, similar to Flu, C-19 can cause lung problems and sepsis, but they are uncommon that is why the reports say "with COVID-19" not "of COVID-19."

The world will never (my view) get back to what we used to call "normal", even if COVID-19 miraculously disappeared overnight people would still have the modified behaviour we see every day, how much convincing would you need to do to get a lot of thpse deemed "at risk" previously to suddenly start going on aeroplanes etc. These individuals are risk averse most of the time, doubley so now.

Re: Contract Talks & FCs Future : Thu May 07, 2020 10:48 am  

Covid19 has been devastating for families and the economy.
It will not go away , it is about managing it now to suppress it as much as we can .
Paranoia must now go. We can’t hide forever.

Re: Contract Talks & FCs Future : Thu May 07, 2020 3:20 pm  

HFC Boy wrote:

Covid19 has been devastating for families and the economy.
It will not go away , it is about managing it now to suppress it as much as we can .
Paranoia must now go. We can’t hide forever.

Paranoia?

Re: Contract Talks & FCs Future : Thu May 07, 2020 4:31 pm  

For the record im not on social media. For the record its my opinion.

Yes the deaths have been tragic and unfortunate goes without saying. But i think the virus will fizzle out in the not so distant future. time will tell who is correct

Premiership players back in training in ten days, nice positive step forward. German league resumes shortly, NRL resumes end of the month, more positive steps forward.

Re: Contract Talks & FCs Future : Thu May 07, 2020 5:18 pm  

Rocknrolla69er wrote:

For the record im not on social media.

Nor am I, but it's everywhere. The press use it all the time to promote their agenda.
The bbc has been quoting anonymous emails/tweets for donkey's years to make comments they would never be allowed to say themselves,
and as for Facebook, it couldn't be a more political animal if it tried.

Re: Contract Talks & FCs Future : Thu May 07, 2020 5:25 pm  

Do people still watch the bbc wow!!!!

I prefer to research using the internet and not get opinions from social media or the news. Its nice to be able to make your own mind up about things, rather than have opinions imprinted on your brains by others

Re: Contract Talks & FCs Future : Thu May 07, 2020 8:50 pm  

Mrs Barista wrote:

The Roche antibody test seems a significant step forward, but wonder how they will get the volume needed (and also requires blood test by medics, not a home test job)

Odd as an introductory post but Roche were the ones that produced Tamiflu and ripped the country off to £0.6Bn and still haven't paid it back, they did the same to the US, think there's a lawsuit for $1.5Bn against them for lying/not releasing their own findings, so I wouldn't trust Roche and anything they produce. They deliberately and continuously over years, withheld documents that would prove it was utterly ineffective and had terrible side effects to boot including death.

The current SARS-COV2 test also gives positives for H1N1 amongst other respiratory diseases hence why the Office for National Statistics have been instructed to include all influenza and pneumonia deaths/cases in with COVID19, the whole thing is a shambles and talks of vaccines being ready in anything under 18 months and they be effective are dubious at the very least. We know from that vaccines for novel viruses aren't very effective, the NHS itself gives us a clue as to how poor vaccines just for influenza are in some years, particularly the older age groups.

So any reliance on a test/vaccine before society/rugby moves back to normal shouldn't be something we rely on, even less so when subtle modification in who we visit and when plus washing hands proves to be far more effective at reducing virus/bacteria transmission than immunisations, and it works for all viruses and bacteria and is immediate, low cost, virtually zero side effects.

Personally I can't wait for the season to start back up again, the buzz of being in a crowd when your team is playing good rugby is hard to beat, can't wait for the local amateurs to get going and see the kids back on the field starting their journey with the great game. Hoping to be a bumper crowd for the first game.

Maybe the way the game is run might change (likely not) and how the powers that be run the sport better, look at how to improve the financials, what is actually holding the sport back in a more meaningful manner to help secure the sport going forward, at least better than we've seen, such that the sport has a firmer footing throughout all leagues top to bottom and be able to have better planning for financial situations. We only need look at the Bulls fiasco to see how badly things can go due to poor administration.

Re: Contract Talks & FCs Future : Thu May 07, 2020 9:13 pm  

IR80 wrote:

Indeed, there isn't even anecdotal evidence that having had C-19 once provides immunity, let alone proven impirical medical evidence. There are 14 (current) variants, it is an RNA type virous so mutation is slow but continuous. If natural immunity to any RNA was so straightforward we wouldn't have seasonal flu jabs for influenza, some people (especially who take posts on Facebook as fact, without reading the wider science) don't seem to understand that C-19 hasn't been an actual cause of death in the vast majority of cases, the usual cause is Pneumonia and/or other underlying conditions, similar to Flu, C-19 can cause lung problems and sepsis, but they are uncommon that is why the reports say "with COVID-19" not "of COVID-19."

The world will never (my view) get back to what we used to call "normal", even if COVID-19 miraculously disappeared overnight people would still have the modified behaviour we see every day, how much convincing would you need to do to get a lot of thpse deemed "at risk" previously to suddenly start going on aeroplanes etc. These individuals are risk averse most of the time, doubley so now.

Agree with this, modifying behaviour through fear is something that has been done throughout history and to great effect.

Very few are able to understand the subtle difference in terminology used regarding deaths, the Office for National Statistics produces weekly figures for deaths by underlying cause, this is the only way they can 'code' a death, but they've added another section to include deaths where there is just a mention of a virus or even just a suspicion of a virus present and neither of those scenarios were underlying cause.

A step further, ONS have openly admitted to manipulating the numbers by including all pneumonia and influenza deaths and calling them all Covid19, something they've never done with any virus ever, still the number of actual deaths from respiratory diseases including C.19, flu, pneumonia etc in England and Wales, are fewer since first C.19 death was mentioned than for the 6 week period from week one (Jjanuary), and also less at the C.19 peak than for any of the last 5 years weeks 1-6 respiratory deaths by underlying cause.

If you make people think if they do x or y they are at serious risk of harm then people will stop doing that, showing them actual raw data proving that that risk is no more than it was in previous years goes unheeded, because they are so influenced by media and government who in turn modify behaviour of everyone else like supermarkets, sporting organisations, workplaces local authorities NHS etc telling you don't do x or do y because of [insert reason/s]

if we concentrate on RL, that modified behaviour damages the sport, even if people are told it's ok, it's still in some people's heads because it's been rammed down people's throats almost every minute of every waking day for the last few months. The way those who run the sport will have a huge input into how people are able to congregate/admission rules to sporting venues. They in turn are influenced heavily by what's been said day in day out.

Just want to get back in the throng of a big crowd and watch some top level rugby.

Re: Contract Talks & FCs Future : Fri May 08, 2020 6:39 am  

https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/ro ... ment-loan/ Loan used to compensate clubs for the games that are played behind closed doors. Wondering if they use the pay per view idea using sky to watch games, how the income from that would affect the application for losses for playing behind closed doors If you acrue 160k through pay per view, will that come off the amount you recieve in compensation, thats if the pay per view idea is implemented

https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/ro ... ment-loan/ Loan used to compensate clubs for the games that are played behind closed doors. Wondering if they use the pay per view idea using sky to watch games, how the income from that would affect the application for losses for playing behind closed doors If you acrue 160k through pay per view, will that come off the amount you recieve in compensation, thats if the pay per view idea is implemented

Re: Contract Talks & FCs Future : Fri May 08, 2020 6:56 am  

48756c6c20 524c4643 wrote:

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indeed (agree with both posts)

Had they used the phrase 'herd mentality' as opposed to 'herd immunity' people would have balked at the principle of it. (Similar to the civil liberties groups about the app). What they have done is, quite cleverly, modified behaviour without appearing to directly do so.

Very little about tne situation has changed, the hand washing and general distancing and vastly improved hygiene has now become accepted and, more importantly, execpted. We will slowly see urinals etc. largely removed, pick n mix, buffets etc. will not make a return, and certainly not in the form we were used to.

The things that wont change, that I think should, are the spitting in the street and on football / sports pitches, selling of fruit and veg from stalls next to busy roads, sharing of drinks bottles etc.

But, back on topic, we are a long way from the season re-starting, we are basically going to follow what the PL does, they have much bigger resourcesand influence, when they agree a model with government it will be much easier to amend it for an RL purpose than invent our own.

(catchy username by the way.....