Re: Lineham.. : Tue Jun 09, 2015 3:57 pm  

Basher wrote:

Did Shaun Long leave Wigan and go to Saints - just asking

No, via Widnes, Wigan have a policy of never signing anyone from Saints, Higham went via Bratfut

Re: Lineham.. : Tue Jun 09, 2015 6:40 pm  

Diogenes wrote:

Do you think a supermarket or a bank could use that argument?

If clubs are run as businesses then shouldn't supporters behave (and be treated) like paying customers?

Over-simplified IMO, when was the last time you arranged a holiday round a trip to Aldi or chanted and danced on the concourse at Meadowhall? Behaviour of sporting fans in many cases is emotional rather than strictly rational because of the sentiment and feeling of connection - call it tribalism, sense of belonging, whatever.

We're a club, not a 3rd party service provider. We live together, we win together, we lose together, ultimately we're miles better together. Those with looser attachment cling less keenly maybe. They bail out in choppy or dull waters and consequently the whole is weaker. Clearly it's their choice, but the consequences are probably less for them and greater for those hanging on for whom it's a central not peripheral strand of their life. This is a poor analogy, sure, but just saying there's perhaps a consequence of not actively supporting the club which is having to jettison valuable assets to keep going.

Re: Lineham.. : Tue Jun 09, 2015 6:44 pm  

Mrs Barista wrote:

Over-simplified IMO, when was the last time you arranged a holiday round a trip to Aldi or chanted and danced on the concourse at Meadowhall? Behaviour of sporting fans in many cases is emotional rather than strictly rational because of the sentiment and feeling of connection - call it tribalism, sense of belonging, whatever.

We're a club, not a 3rd party service provider. We live together, we win together, we lose together, ultimately we're miles better together. Those with looser attachment cling less keenly maybe. They bail out in choppy or dull waters and consequently the whole is weaker. Clearly it's their choice, but the consequences are probably less for them and greater for those hanging on for whom it's a central not peripheral strand of their life. This is a poor analogy, sure, but just saying there's perhaps a consequence of not actively supporting the club which is having to jettison valuable assets to keep going.

Perfectly summed up.

Re: Lineham.. : Tue Jun 09, 2015 6:59 pm  

Good player, good luck to him but not the end of the world. We've seen, and lost, better.
I look forward to seeing the progression of Naughton and Lancaster.
I don't buy the point that we've had to sell because of supporters staying away. Far more successful clubs than us have not matched our support. We've backed the club to the hilt year after year.
If money is tight, it's down to the mismanagement down the years.

Re: Lineham.. : Tue Jun 09, 2015 7:03 pm  

Irregular Hoops wrote:

Good player, good luck to him but not the end of the world. We've seen, and lost, better.
I look forward to seeing the progression of Naughton and Lancaster.
I don't buy the point that we've had to sell because of supporters staying away. Far more successful clubs than us have not matched our support. We've backed the club to the hilt year after year.
If money is tight, it's down to the mismanagement down the years.

Which ones, without a benefactor? I don't dispute mistakes have been made BTW, and should have been fessed up more humbly.

Re: Lineham.. : Tue Jun 09, 2015 7:17 pm  

fun time frankie wrote:

Good bit of business you don't often get fees nowadays and its a good one for a winger who can be replaced internally Lancaster won't be your long term replacement though as he is definitely leaving when his contract is up

So he's decided he's leaving 7 months after signing a 3 year deal?

Re: Lineham.. : Tue Jun 09, 2015 7:28 pm  

Diogenes wrote:

No you don't go at all and you keep your money or spend it on something else.

I struggle with the idea that a rugby club can serve up tripe year after year and the supporters are just supposed to keep quiet and keep shelling out their hard earned dosh and that any financial problems experienced by a club are the supporters' fault for not backing them.

No other business would expect its customers to keep on buying an inferior product or service.

Do you realise the ridiculousness of what you're saying? Fans of sports teams are not rational customers.

And I'm sorry, but if you need a bottle of milk, but aren't happy with Tesco's you don't put your quid in your pocket because you refuse to buy from Asda! Deary me.

Re: Lineham.. : Tue Jun 09, 2015 7:33 pm  

Mrs Barista wrote:

Which ones, without a benefactor? I don't dispute mistakes have been made BTW, and should have been fessed up more humbly.

It's a good point, and I see what you mean.
Just think that the club couldn't have asked the supporters for any more support than they've given. We had years of underachievement before AP took over.
The previous regime, and the bad advice received by AP at the beginning of his tenure has contributed massively to any shortfalls.

Re: Lineham.. : Tue Jun 09, 2015 7:48 pm  

Irregular Hoops wrote:

It's a good point, and I see what you mean.
Just think that the club couldn't have asked the supporters for any more support than they've given. We had years of underachievement before AP took over.
The previous regime, and the bad advice received by AP at the beginning of his tenure has contributed massively to any shortfalls.

Agreed. If we want a chance of success though it's fans and sponsors that need to galvanize behind what we're trying to achieve as clearly AP's not got money to burn. Our fanbase is a major asset for sure, but won't drive the club forward as bystanders.

Re: Lineham.. : Tue Jun 09, 2015 8:21 pm  

Mrs Barista wrote:

Diogenes wrote:

Do you think a supermarket or a bank could use that argument?

If clubs are run as businesses then shouldn't supporters behave (and be treated) like paying customers?

Over-simplified IMO, when was the last time you arranged a holiday round a trip to Aldi or chanted and danced on the concourse at Meadowhall? Behaviour of sporting fans in many cases is emotional rather than strictly rational because of the sentiment and feeling of connection - call it tribalism, sense of belonging, whatever.

We're a club, not a 3rd party service provider. We live together, we win together, we lose together, ultimately we're miles better together. Those with looser attachment cling less keenly maybe. They bail out in choppy or dull waters and consequently the whole is weaker. Clearly it's their choice, but the consequences are probably less for them and greater for those hanging on for whom it's a central not peripheral strand of their life. This is a poor analogy, sure, but just saying there's perhaps a consequence of not actively supporting the club which is having to jettison valuable assets to keep going.

So it's your case that the club must be run as a business and cut its cloth accordingly and can count on the supporters to irrationally and blindly keep faith with it whatever happens?

For my part I'm not going to blame those supporters who have had enough and nor should the club when the club's financial predicament is largely of its own poor decision making.