: Tue Apr 07, 2009 2:56 pm  

Kosh wrote:

Only if they can be arsed.

I still dont see a lack of effort as the issue.

: Tue Apr 07, 2009 2:57 pm  

I also think we played some good stuff in the 1st 5 games. I thought our forwards won the the battle in all of those games and that put us on the front foot. I thought our line speed was also good and we forced teams to make a lot of errors.

We seem to have gone away from that totally and I believe a lot of it must be down to attitude.

: Tue Apr 07, 2009 2:57 pm  

Robbo4 wrote:

We were losing the battle up front because the players aren't putting the required effort in. Just after we scored from deep against Salford we tried to do it again and dropped the ball. Guess what? Everyone starts moaning that we are turning the ball over too cheaply and get on the players back and they stop doing it. It wasn't just 5 drives and a kick until we made a few errors deep within our own half. The same thing happened against Cas.

What he said.

If we're being serious this 5 drives and a kick thing is not quite correct anyway. Manu wasn't driving when he put Hall in the clear. Similarly we weren't driving when we scored a well coached move direct from a scrum. Our ailings are not 5 drives and a kick they are a lack of intensity with and without ball in hand. Effort in other words.

: Tue Apr 07, 2009 2:58 pm  

Suzie wrote:

I also think we played some good stuff in the 1st 5 games. I thought our forwards won the the battle in all of those games and that put us on the front foot. I thought our line speed was also good and we forced teams to make a lot of errors.

We seem to have gone away from that totally and I believe a lot of it must be down to attitude.

Maybe those 5 clubs werent up to speed yet? Theyve got fitter and we havent?

: Tue Apr 07, 2009 2:59 pm  

Big Dave T wrote:

So why doesnt the coach get the message out to keep trying it?

Maybe he decided that after the players had mucked it up a few times that we should play a bit safer, particularly in our own half.

We are by no means perfect but we are nowhere near as bad as some are making out.

: Tue Apr 07, 2009 2:59 pm  

Suzie wrote:

I also think we played some good stuff in the 1st 5 games. I thought our forwards won the the battle in all of those games and that put us on the front foot. I thought our line speed was also good and we forced teams to make a lot of errors.

We seem to have gone away from that totally and I believe a lot of it must be down to attitude.

Exactly. If the players can be bothered to play for Agar which after all the latest rumours I dont think some can.

: Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:00 pm  

Robbo4 wrote:

We are by no means perfect but we are nowhere near as bad as some are making out.

I still think we are boring and predictive. Not as bad overall as some sides i agree also. My frustration is that we have the players to be so much better.

[Kosh]

: Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:01 pm  

Big Dave T wrote:

I still dont see a lack of effort as the issue.

I saw a lack of effort against Quins. Most everyone saw a lack of effort against Salford. We all saw it many times last season.

It may not be the ONLY issue, but it certainly is AN issue.

: Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:02 pm  

Staffs FC wrote:

What he said.

If we're being serious this 5 drives and a kick thing is not quite correct anyway. Manu wasn't driving when he put Hall in the clear. Similarly we weren't driving when we scored a well coached move direct from a scrum. Our ailings are not 5 drives and a kick they are a lack of intensity with and without ball in hand. Effort in other words.

Like I said we have scored some good trys and played some good stuff but only when we have earned the right to do it.

: Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:25 pm  

Big Dave T wrote:

We are, we have the players to move away from 5 drives and a kick, im sure of it.

Our players are too lazy. Making off the ball runs requires a player to be unselfish as he may not often get the ball. Our players do it every now and again.

The players are lazy and dumb, and they were last season too.