: Wed Mar 04, 2009 6:33 pm  

anyone else think Smokey has become a bore of Vince proportions?

: Wed Mar 04, 2009 6:37 pm  

Standee wrote:

anyone else think Smokey has become a bore of Vince proportions?

Think a few on here have become bores on it tbh.

: Wed Mar 04, 2009 6:39 pm  

Standee wrote:

anyone else think Smokey has become a bore of Vince proportions?

unfortunately, i havent reached your proportions yet though,

if i put my mind to it and really really try, i just might make it,

i will of course need to be much much grumpier

: Wed Mar 04, 2009 6:39 pm  

fc baldy wrote:

Think a few on here have become bores on it tbh.

agreed

Nobody really knows, plenty are pretending different mind.

: Wed Mar 04, 2009 6:40 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

unfortunately, i havent reached your proportions yet though,

if i put my mind to it and really really try, i just might make it,

i will of course need to be much much grumpier

you'd need an education too

[Kosh]

: Wed Mar 04, 2009 6:43 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

where, how, and why he is attempting to enter the country is irrellevant to whether he should be allowed to enter the country?

what a strange thing to say

There is a reason why the General Rules are called the General Rules. They apply in all cases. Generally, in fact.

SmokeyTA wrote:

how do you know it didnt help? surely you of all people wouldnt be mixing up correllation with causuality would you?

That's pedantry of tb proportions.

All right - it didn't help sufficiently to secure him leave to enter the UK.

Happy now?

: Wed Mar 04, 2009 6:53 pm  

Kosh wrote:

There is a reason why the General Rules are called the General Rules. They apply in all cases. Generally, in fact.

yes they are general rules that take in to account how, where and why (among other things) a person wishes to enter the uk,

the how, where and why of Birds wishes to enter the country are different for his application for Bradford and Les Catalans

That's pedantry of tb proportions.

All right - it didn't help sufficiently to secure him leave to enter the UK.

Happy now?

its not pedantic, it strikes of the heart of why i think you are wrong.

for some reason you have decided that because there are 'general rules' that apply to all applications and that you need to be given permission to enter the country whether that is through a visa or at the border that this means you only need go focus on the reasons he failed changing and as those havent, his application will be identical to all intents and purposes as before, which isnt correct

it is my contention that even though the reasons he failed havent changed it doesnt follow that he has to fail again, there are other circumstances which have changed, and though they are irrelevant to the reasons he failed, it isnt irrelevant to the reasons he may succeed

: Wed Mar 04, 2009 6:54 pm  

Just a quick question - Apart from his impending court case has bird been convicted of anything else? just that if he hasn't, surely they can't of refused him a visa on the grounds that he may of committed a crime.

: Wed Mar 04, 2009 6:54 pm  

Standee wrote:

you'd need an education too

: Wed Mar 04, 2009 6:55 pm  

[quote="east hull FC fan"]Just a quick question - Apart from his impending court case has bird been convicted of anything else? just that if he hasn't, surely they can't of refused him a visa on the grounds that he may of committed a crime.[/quote]


Errrrr we did