Re: So exactly were are we going as a club !! : Sat Feb 17, 2024 9:54 am  

Steve0 wrote:

Cust, Fages, Nikorima, Croft, Clune, May, Frawley, Moylan...even Abdul were all available, we either didn't offer enough to tempt them to us or we're just not an attractive proposition as a club anymore

Only Clune, Fages and Frawley are 7's.

One turned us down, one is average and the other was only ever going to Saints.

I'd have made a move for Abdul, but he needed to get out the city, is keep an eye on him for next season though.

Re: So exactly were are we going as a club !! : Sat Feb 17, 2024 9:55 am  

Offy1865 wrote:

I'm just hoping we become of those clubs that investors look at and think 'there is money to be made there's. If we were to get another 2 investors on board, help out AP and start actually spending the cap maybe a marquee or two.

If I remember rightly, before COVID, our finances were actually pretty good and one of a few making a profit.

I believe that we are spending well under the salary cap, but spending AP's cap, saving money to help pay off the gov loan. After that, hopefully will start to put money into the squad again

Sadly I dont think there is money to be made in RL, Pearson thought in 2011 he'd take over a club that Hetherington had perhaps got bored with invest a bit and sucess would follow, but how many million has he spent chasing the dream? Even before Covid profit was a small amount, even one poorly received Kit launch might have wiped the profit out for example.

Re: So exactly were are we going as a club !! : Sat Feb 17, 2024 9:57 am  

Dave K. wrote:

Only Clune, Fages and Frawley are 7's.

One turned us down, one is average and the other was only ever going to Saints.

I'd have made a move for Abdul, but he needed to get out the city, is keep an eye on him for next season though.

I wouldent want Abdull back given his attitude, sure he'd have been 10 times better than the halves the other night but we'd just be kicking the can down the road. He's continually unfit and causing off the field problems.

Re: So exactly were are we going as a club !! : Sat Feb 17, 2024 9:58 am  

We definitely need a new owner or someone willing to invest with Pearson, but that would have to be either a fan or someone who thinks they could get a return (would maybe have to try and purchase the stadium/land with Acun).

It's a shame we can't get Acun to like rugby, would be small change for him to invest with Pearson.

Re: So exactly were are we going as a club !! : Sat Feb 17, 2024 10:02 am  

whos acun?

Re: So exactly were are we going as a club !! : Sat Feb 17, 2024 10:07 am  

The Dentist Wilf wrote:

well that was hard going wasn't it? But although its only the start of 2024, and some would say early days, for many of us in reality its all pretty depressing yet quite predictable in many ways.

I guess really you can’t go too much on the first game of the season but the signs were there for all to see against Wigan as well and we all tried to make excuses and indeed, this week we did suffer as much adversity as you could probably have in one game but that’s no real excuses because it was very very poor. we have made pretty second-rate signings when judged against some of our piers in super league. Smith isn’t a miracle worker and although I’m sure he picks the players he wants to bring in, his choice is restricted by the budgetary constraints put upon him by the owner through the club’s financial situation.

Adam is the owner and yes he’s brought us some great times, the best day of my life in fact and we’d have been stuffed without him and I really like the bloke.
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However, he says he would welcome investors to the club but would he??? Because to me reading between the lines and knowing in the past how he runs his organisations he does seem to like to be the sole boss of things and had another investor or two been attracted to the club I think we would have signed better players year on year (including a couple of Marquee signings that used to be the hallmark of the club in the past) and replaced the class we were losing. That’s the crux of the issue for me because Smith is just playing the cards he is dealt. All this last big payday stuff is rubbish, he a proud man and proven to be a bloody good coach, but it’s just bricks without straw.

We haven’t had a real in your face leader since Ellis and we certainly haven’t replaced Sneyd, Swift or Connor or latterly Clifford when top clubs would have recognised them as the bed rock on which we build a team for the future and probably persuaded them not to leave, in fact at other clubs having seen the progress made they would possibly have been content to stay. Good teams get good players and add to them and when they have difficult, but gifted, individuals (like Connor) they manage them. I know players cite family reasons etc for moving but it’s a short career and if you’re getting well paid and can see a future to win trophies whilst getting exposure and acclaim from the fans then generally you don’t move. As far as imports are concerned we are now resign to signing players coming here to make a name for themselves and then go back home more lucrative deals (Clifford) or teams with better prospects (Satae for example).

Covid certainly hasn’t helped but since 2016/17 everything has slipped back at our club, if we sign quality players they seem to have injury baggage, good and great players have been replaced with mediocre ones, we have had two cheap and cheerful coaches before Smith came along and the ‘smokescreen’ of youth development and the cost of it, has been used to disguise somewhat just what we are signing to replace the quality players we lose. We all love the youngsters coming through of course we do but Super League is a brutal affair and as such you can’t play more than two or three greenhorns in a team for any length of time, it just doesn’t work. It’s a long road to the topped and many youngsters fall by the wayside, but across the main squad you have to focus on replacing like for like otherwise you go backwards.

The only thing that hasn’t slipped back is us lot the loyal and long-suffering fans because if anything we have grown in number since 2017 or at least stayed constantly at a level many clubs can only dream of. I know people who can no longer go who still buy season tickets just to support the club. Perhaps had we all voted with our feet a few years ago then things might have changed, just to ensure we survived, but why worry too much about a backward progression if the stakeholders continue to support? Now we already have a ward full of casualties, a loss to start the season off against the worst of enemies, the morons baying from the east everywhere we go and no cap space (apparently) to change things, even if those players were available. So once again it’s going to be a long season, but one year the fans might just get fed up and see what is happening and then we are in trouble, but for now forget coach’s owners and players our greatest asset is us lot the fans!!!!! I remember perhaps 15 or so odd years ago on here the famous Hutchie saying that we were ‘the cash cows of the club and being hauled over the coals by the then board for saying it. I wonder if he has a feeling of de je vue now?

So that's my take on it however, having come down a bit from last night for me a season ticket holder of 64 years the club appears to be slipping back from being one of the games top set ups to mediocrity at best, trouble is we all love em and many of us always will, but surely we can't go on like this? perhaps I'm over reacting, old people eh???? Just my view on it all, but I'd be interesting to know what others think about it all! It's not knee jerk after one game just a real concern for where we actually are!!!

Not an over reaction at all Pete. We have had 5 poor seasons and probably heading for a sixth.

Im sick of Pearson insulting us saying we are at cap. Absolute rubbish. We are around 500K under.
As you say, it's a real concern where we are heading.

One game in and we are certainly in a crisis. Injuries are biting and we are going to lose at least one player to a big suspension.
I like many renewed my pass and bought merchandise and was very much looking forward to a fresh start with a new look squad but one game in and feel completely fed up and questioning as to whether i want to use time i could be spending with my family on a Saturday or Sunday by going and having to suffer similar to not just what was served up Thursday but what has been served up for the most part the last 5 seasons.

The fact Pearson was happy with the second half sums up the club at the moment.

Re: So exactly were are we going as a club !! : Sat Feb 17, 2024 10:08 am  

Average league finish under Heatherington (including 2011 as Pearson didnt arrive til the Summer) = 6th with 1 Cup win, 1 defeat and a Grand Final.

Average league finish under Pearson = 7th, 2 Cup wins, 1 defeat

So you can argue that not a lot has changed in almost 25 years...but of course its the rate of recent decline thats the concern.

Re: So exactly were are we going as a club !! : Sat Feb 17, 2024 10:10 am  

fosdyke99 wrote:

whos acun?

Hull City owner, but its a long shot that an overseas millionaire would want to invest in an English minority sport. Added clout to get ownership of the stadium and the land that surrounds it probably the only incentive there.

Re: So exactly were are we going as a club !! : Sat Feb 17, 2024 10:16 am  

cheers,never heard of him,having said that i have no interest in city or football.

Re: So exactly were are we going as a club !! : Sat Feb 17, 2024 10:24 am  

Dave K. wrote:

Only Clune, Fages and Frawley are 7's.

One turned us down, one is average and the other was only ever going to Saints.

I'd have made a move for Abdul, but he needed to get out the city, is keep an eye on him for next season though

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Or this season if he gets homesick perhaps. He's exactly what we need a playmaker who will guide us around the pitch. Hopefully after getting dumped by Rovers it'll be a wake up call and he sorts his fitness out.