Re: Realistic targets for 2025 : Tue Oct 08, 2024 9:24 am  

Sebasteeno wrote:

For me I'd say 6th is realistic with this team and coaching setup. You could argue Salford and Leigh have over achieved this year and neither have signed anyone special to help them stay in the top six so I think we're capable of replacing them. The key thing is we need to be beating them in the regular season

Think I would describe that as optimistic rather than realistic. Saints and Catalans finished 6th/7th this year with 15 wins each (think Wire may have been the same in 2023?).
For us to go from 3 wins up to 15 is a sizable improvement in a single year, especially with virtually a new set-up and team at the start of the year. Will we need a 'bedding-in' time before we see improvements?

I don't think it's impossible for us to finish 6th, but I do think we would need a number of factors to go our way for it to happen. If the likes of Leigh, Leeds, Salford are inconsistent and we can make significant improvements then maybe 6th would come to pass, but I'm not sure we will find an extra 10-12 wins on this season that we would need to make.

Recall I made the same claim for us finishing 6th at the start of this year (based on the same premises as above) only to see it spectacularly blow up in my face before we had even reached Easter!! So I am a touch wary about sticking my neck out that far again!!

I hope you are proved to be right in this, it would certainly put some much needed feel-good factor back into the faithful, but having been burnt too often in recent years I'm erring on the side of caution on this. I just feel 6th is too big a step upwards in one move, especially given where we are starting from (almost rock bottom).

Re: Realistic targets for 2025 : Tue Oct 08, 2024 9:48 am  

B0NES wrote:

I don't know how IMG go about grading as it seems to be still a grey area but It does seem strange that a large first class stadium looses points whilst we have the forth best attendance average in SL .

When you say we’ll lose points, do you mean we’ll lose points from the initial awarding because our attendances have dropped since and now under 50% (or whatever the cut off point is) usage of the stadium or just that we didn’t get the points in the first place?

If it’s that we didn’t get the points in the first place I wouldn’t worry, we scored highly on the stadium and enough to get a grade A despite scoring low for on the field performance. If we have a team that’s in an around competing near the play offs (most accept that as a realistic expectation) everything else should look after itself. Just hope they’ve done enough to make us competitive.

Re: Realistic targets for 2025 : Tue Oct 08, 2024 9:58 am  

Id class realistic progress as being able to leave work at 3pm on a Friday before travelling over the Pennines with at least some confidence it won't be a wasted visit

Re: Realistic targets for 2025 : Tue Oct 08, 2024 10:08 am  

Does anyone know what our scoring was in each criteria? I know the overall score but did it ever get broken down? I have listed below the max scores of the criteria's.

Fandom: 5
Performance: 5
Finances: 4.5
Stadium: 3
Community: 2.5

So the max score is 20 and you need 15 for a Grade A licence. We scored 15.05 so we're on the edge of Grade A and we're bound to have lost performance points after this abysmal season but have we possibly done enough in the other criteria's to gain what we lose on the performance side?

Re: Realistic targets for 2025 : Tue Oct 08, 2024 10:12 am  

Roam Ranger wrote:

Does anyone know what our scoring was in each criteria? I know the overall score but did it ever get broken down? I have listed below the max scores of the criteria's.

Fandom: 5
Performance: 5
Finances: 4.5
Stadium: 3
Community: 2.5

So the max score is 20 and you need 15 for a Grade A licence. We scored 15.05 so we're on the edge of Grade A and we're bound to have lost performance points after this abysmal season but have we possibly done enough in the other criteria's to gain what we lose on the performance side?

Given how we just scraped in last year, I think it's fairly likely we will lose our Grade A status

Re: Realistic targets for 2025 : Tue Oct 08, 2024 10:59 am  

HU8HFC wrote:

Given how we just scraped in last year, I think it's fairly likely we will lose our Grade A status

My understanding is that we've dropped a place in the performance table (below Cas I think). This equates to a loss of 0.118pts (according to an article I read a few weeks back).
If that is indeed the case then unless we've improved our score elsewhere we are looking likely to fall below the A grade threshold.

I guess the positive from this is that we can't fall much lower within this particular criteria score, think only Wakefield can realistically overtake us over the next couple of years, so we should improve this aspect fairly soon, hopefully!!

Re: Realistic targets for 2025 : Tue Oct 08, 2024 11:05 am  

Any losses due to poor performance will be countered by gains in other areas . We can all see just how much the club have been active in the social media because of the points on offer for its use .
I also agreed with TS about the clubs that have strong academies should also have points awarded .

Re: Realistic targets for 2025 : Tue Oct 08, 2024 11:06 am  

We can't afford another dismal season next year , That could see us in real danger of been overtaken .

Re: Realistic targets for 2025 : Tue Oct 08, 2024 11:14 am  

HU8HFC wrote:

Given how we just scraped in last year, I think it's fairly likely we will lose our Grade A status

Even if we drop to gradeB we will still be one of the better GradeB's. We're also not the only club with issues, crowds and performance down at Huddersfield for example.

Overall there aren't a strong set of Championship clubs ready to step up. Bradford example have lost a lot of the fanbase and it remains to be seen if Odsal can be profitable. I don't think the clubs want Toulouse right now due to the travel costs, and can't see SKY being keen either as they can't sell subscriptions in France.

Re: Realistic targets for 2025 : Tue Oct 08, 2024 11:22 am  

UllFC wrote:

Even if we drop to gradeB we will still be one of the better GradeB's. We're also not the only club with issues, crowds and performance down at Huddersfield for example.

Overall there aren't a strong set of Championship clubs ready to step up. Bradford example have lost a lot of the fanbase and it remains to be seen if Odsal can be profitable. I don't think the clubs want Toulouse right now due to the travel costs, and can't see SKY being keen either as they can't sell subscriptions in France.

TO has already been paying the travel cost of championship teams , Catalans from next season will now be footing the bill for SL clubs travel costs awell .