Re: Leeds Rhinos - Away : Sat Sep 07, 2024 10:26 am  

Theeaststander1 wrote:

relegation re-energises the club as a whole, forget the playing outfit, the fans, backroom everything gets a blow torch put on it and it goes one of two ways, for us it was a god send, but when it happened i wanted to never watch a ball being thrown again

players will be loyal if theres a buy in, our buy in was a push back for promotion and a genuine turnaround

Tell that to Bradford and Widnes.

Relegation for us would be a real gamble, could go either way.

Re: Leeds Rhinos - Away : Sat Sep 07, 2024 10:29 am  

Steve0 wrote:

If we got relegated, we'd lose the players we're trying to build around, Charles, Martin, Barron etc and just end up with the players no other super league team wants to pick from us in Fash, Lane, Briscoe, Chamberlain, Smith, Tindall and the like, we'd struggle the lower attendances and lack of sky money, it'd be a complete disaster

Same for me also, we've seen big clubs go down and not returned and look like they never will.

Re: Leeds Rhinos - Away : Sat Sep 07, 2024 10:32 am  

Dave K. wrote:

Tell that to Bradford and Widnes.

Relegation for us would be a real gamble, could go either way.

FC have money now, they wouldnt end up like them

if the thirkell overtake is true then he will not see his investment go to waste

Re: Leeds Rhinos - Away : Sat Sep 07, 2024 10:34 am  

We're not getting relegated so it's a bit of a moot point

Re: Leeds Rhinos - Away : Sat Sep 07, 2024 10:35 am  

mwindass wrote:

We're not getting relegated so it's a bit of a moot point

not at all IMG is here and no ones going except london this year end of

Re: Leeds Rhinos - Away : Sat Sep 07, 2024 10:37 am  

Theeaststander1 wrote:

FC have money now, they wouldnt end up like them

Do we? We currently don't have details of a confirmed Investor and we're not spending the full cap. The club has been run on the cheap, and Asiata and rapana aside, I can't imagine next year's recruits are on massive wages.

Relegation has worked well for Wakey because they got a new owner, if they'd have not had a new investor, they'd probably be on a par with fev now. Then you've got Halifax who got relegated back in 2003 and are on the verge of no longer existing, Toulouse whos squad got taken apart after relegation and also nearly went bankrupt following relegation and as the poster above says, Bradford and Widnes. Far more clubs have been ruined by relegation than revitalised

Re: Leeds Rhinos - Away : Sat Sep 07, 2024 10:45 am  

Steve0 wrote:

Do we? We currently don't have details of a confirmed Investor and we're not spending the full cap. The club has been run on the cheap, and Asiata and rapana aside, I can't imagine next year's recruits are on massive wages.

Relegation has worked well for Wakey because they got a new owner, if they'd have not had a new investor, they'd probably be on a par with fev now. Then you've got Halifax who got relegated back in 2003 and are on the verge of no longer existing, Toulouse whos squad got taken apart after relegation and also nearly went bankrupt following relegation and as the poster above says, Bradford and Widnes. Far more clubs have been ruined by relegation than revitalised

i think the paying off of brown, pele, jayden ok, tony smith have really took the chunk out of the budget

Re: Leeds Rhinos - Away : Sat Sep 07, 2024 12:01 pm  

There will be no relegation so its as has been said a moot point and if there is the game will tear itself apart arguing about changing the goal posts.

However to say we would be better off relegated is ludicrous. I can assure everyone who wants to listen that I have discussed the possibility of relegation with three different CE's going back to James Rule and a couple of owners as well and they were all unanimously of the same opinion, that relegation would see the club fold. Simply because we have no material assets to fall back on, no ground t borrow against and no bottomless pit of money. Although I concede that I guess a rich owner appearing out of the ether could solve that, (We wish) But we simply could not afford to play at the Stadium it would not be sustainable anymore, the overheads are too high, as are if you like the cost of even opening the turnstiles. . People in fairyland might think they wouldn't, but gates would halve even with our great supporter base and there simply wouldn't be the TV money, sponsorship income, local sponsors or Sky money to cover those costs. So as well as not having the money to build a team to get back up, we would have no where to play in Hull.

The fact that everyone sort of knows but doesn't want to admit, or even discuss is that this demise of ours this year has been planned. Someone somewhere has decided that at the expense of the love of the fans, (or as the great Hutch once described us the cash cows of the club) we would under invest, save cash and operate on a shoe string in 2024, because thanks to IMG there was no jeopody out there and so we could. Bugger the embarrasment heartbreak and ignominy we are all feeling. Place the blame at whoever's door you like but in my opinion we have to face that there has been a strategy here and one we have only tried to address with signings etc once the wheel had well and truly come off and the situation was irreversible.

Re: Leeds Rhinos - Away : Sat Sep 07, 2024 12:31 pm  

Where to start! I didn't even bother watching it, so dispirited have I become, decided to watch Wigan pinch the LLS from under rovers noses. The fact that I watched someone else rather than us says it all I guess?

After a short period mid season where we looked as if we were at least putting ourselves on an even keel and at least being competitive in games, all of our early season failings have returned with a vengeance.
We all know this is, quite obviously, hardly the greatest team in our history, but even at this low level we should not be dishing up performances the like of which we have seen in recent weeks.
There is no reason at all why this group of players cannot take to the field in a reasonably fit state ready to carry out a basic game plan with enthusiasm and commitment backed up by a coaching team who are striving to make the best of a difficult situation.

The fact that Hull Fc as a club, not just the thirteen players on the pitch, are no longer capable of carrying out even the basic tenants of a functioning sporting organization speaks volumes about the complete abdication of responsibility and commitment from those entrusted with the continued well-being of our club, and it is OUR club.

Results such as last night are the direct consequence of an attitude, endemic throughout the organization from top to bottom, which is not only threatening to rot away the very fabric of the club, but its continued unchecked effect (and there are no signs that it is being addressed by those at the top) will have catastrophic consequences if our direction of travel is maintained in this direction.

I keep thinking this can't go on much longer, at some point people within the club will take action to start to address the basic fundamental issues which are ripping the very heart and soul out of one of the oldest sporting clubs in England, our long and (largely) proud history tarnished, battered and torn apart by people who would seem to care not one jot at potentially the permanent damage being wreaked upon this once great proud club.

The over-riding effect of games last night is that my utter despair about where we are, and more pertinently about where we are going, takes another step downwards towards the abyss which is where the club will be if someone does not act and quickly. We have no more room left to make any more errors. The fightback has to start right now or oblivion awaits this great RL club.

On a final note, I would like to salute anyone who stood in that ground last night, witnessing the continuing horror show that is the demise of our club. You are the only people wearing black & white that I have any respect for today. I personally simply could not face it anymore, although I will be there suffering again next Saturday. I have profound respect for your commitment and resilience, although I do have worries about your sanity!!!

Re: Leeds Rhinos - Away : Sat Sep 07, 2024 12:53 pm  

The Dentist Wilf wrote:

There will be no relegation so its as has been said a moot point and if there is the game will tear itself apart arguing about changing the goal posts.

However to say we would be better off relegated is ludicrous. I can assure everyone who wants to listen that I have discussed the possibility of relegation with three different CE's going back to James Rule and a couple of owners as well and they were all unanimously of the same opinion, that relegation would see the club fold. Simply because we have no material assets to fall back on, no ground t borrow against and no bottomless pit of money. Although I concede that I guess a rich owner appearing out of the ether could solve that, (We wish) But we simply could not afford to play at the Stadium it would not be sustainable anymore, the overheads are too high, as are if you like the cost of even opening the turnstiles. . People in fairyland might think they wouldn't, but gates would halve even with our great supporter base and there simply wouldn't be the TV money, sponsorship income, local sponsors or Sky money to cover those costs. So as well as not having the money to build a team to get back up, we would have no where to play in Hull.

The fact that everyone sort of knows but doesn't want to admit, or even discuss is that this demise of ours this year has been planned. Someone somewhere has decided that at the expense of the love of the fans, (or as the great Hutch once described us the cash cows of the club) we would under invest, save cash and operate on a shoe string in 2024, because thanks to IMG there was no jeopody out there and so we could. Bugger the embarrasment heartbreak and ignominy we are all feeling. Place the blame at whoever's door you like but in my opinion we have to face that there has been a strategy here and one we have only tried to address with signings etc once the wheel had well and truly come off and the situation was irreversible.

I agree there’s definitely been a planned ‘underspend’ this year, I would hope it was with with the intention of paying towards the Covid loans or whatever else we owe. We know anyways as fact we went way under the cap because Sky exposed it.

I think what everyone’s missing though is I genuinely think AP had faith in TS and thought the signings of young or something to prove players like Pele, Okunbor, Brown, Tindall, Walker, Ashworth, Smith etc would have us punching above our weight like Salford. They got it spectacularly wrong but I don’t think they wrote off the season off at the start, for me the bigger throwing in of the towel was in the August transfer deadline not making bigger moves to bring at least someone like Cust in early. For me that was unforgivable and has resulted in performances like last night.