Re: Promotion and Relegation : Sun Sep 26, 2021 10:57 am  

FSW wrote:

A touch of perspective.
HKR managed to avoid 5 games this season:- Saints (home & away), Warrington (Home), Salford (Away) & Hull (home).
There is a better than even chance that they would not have won a single point from those games and I suspect that our attitude at Leigh might have been different if we were pushing for top 6 rather than a "dead rubber", but that's irrelevant.
HKR finished with 2 more points than Trinity, we received an apology for a poor refereeing decision that cost a game.
Our points difference with HKR was -105. That would have been erased with the unplayed games.
If's, but's and maybe's - but there's not much between 3rd and 11th at the moment though I'm sure the chequebooks will be out in certain quarters to remedy that situation.

Hull KR played St Helens earlier in the season in a loop match none of the other matches were cancelled by them Saints, Warrington and Hull FC were unable to rearrange the fixtures and KR played Catalan 3 times. The aggregate scores for all three matches were 10 points in favour of Catalan

Re: Promotion and Relegation : Sun Sep 26, 2021 1:57 pm  

Aldy wrote:

Hull KR played St Helens earlier in the season in a loop match none of the other matches were cancelled by them Saints, Warrington and Hull FC were unable to rearrange the fixtures and KR played Catalan 3 times. The aggregate scores for all three matches were 10 points in favour of Catalan

All if's, buts and maybe's now.
They certainly made Warrington look ordinary, although much of their poor performance was of their own doing.

Good luck to them but, I think they will be out next week. Mind you, if they can get a result in France, they will deserve their spot in the final.
Catalan and Saints have been head and shoulders above the rest this season and it would be a fitting final.
Mind you, if Catalan make the GF, I hope their is a plan to sell big numbers of tickets to the neutrals as it's literally impossible to get big numbers from Perpignan to Manchester at short notice.

Re: Promotion and Relegation : Sun Sep 26, 2021 7:43 pm  

dboy wrote:

Are you off your tits??

Invested heavily in youth?

They are on the same track as Salford = bust, boom, bust!

John Bastion leaving them tells you all you need to know (as does having Ben Cockayne looking after their youth).

Bookmark this thread for 10 months time...

I read the full thread to call out this disaster of a post, but nobody did so I will settle it.

Same track as Salford? We are about to buy our own ground, average just short of 8k and had the lowest % of dropped attendance post covid in SL. Adding facilities at one end of the ground to generate income and provide a full match day experience. All whilst not spending cap.

Bastion left because of travel from Leeds, where he lives, to join Leeds. No great conspiracy. Ben cockayne left the club about 3 months ago. Keep up old chap.

Commercially we are a million miles away from Salford. The recent re-brand exercise and money spent on it will pay its own way in due course I’ve no doubt.

Im going Catalans Thursday more in hope then expectation, but wouldn’t it be great for the game if a new team ended the monopoly and gave clubs like ours and wakey real confidence it can be done. Investing in youth means giving opportunity to players like abdull, litten, Lewis, Ethan Ryan, matty storton, Lewis Johnson,
Will Dagger and having them as a backbone of your team for a generation similar to what Leeds did.

One day you may see a 6/7/9 from Wakefield represent your club and move forward. But for now, leave it to the entertainers!

Re: Promotion and Relegation : Sun Sep 26, 2021 8:04 pm  

mean_machine wrote:

I read the full thread to call out this disaster of a post, but nobody did so I will settle it.

Same track as Salford? We are about to buy our own ground, average just short of 8k and had the lowest % of dropped attendance post covid in SL. Adding facilities at one end of the ground to generate income and provide a full match day experience. All whilst not spending cap.

Bastion left because of travel from Leeds, where he lives, to join Leeds. No great conspiracy. Ben cockayne left the club about 3 months ago. Keep up old chap.

Commercially we are a million miles away from Salford. The recent re-brand exercise and money spent on it will pay its own way in due course I’ve no doubt.

Im going Catalans Thursday more in hope then expectation, but wouldn’t it be great for the game if a new team ended the monopoly and gave clubs like ours and wakey real confidence it can be done. Investing in youth means giving opportunity to players like abdull, litten, Lewis, Ethan Ryan, matty storton, Lewis Johnson,
Will Dagger and having them as a backbone of your team for a generation similar to what Leeds did.

One day you may see a 6/7/9 from Wakefield represent your club and move forward. But for now, leave it to the entertainers!

You haven’t sorted it though, dboy is still correct IMO.

Re: Promotion and Relegation : Sun Sep 26, 2021 8:37 pm  

mean_machine wrote:

Will Dagger and having them as a backbone of your team for a generation similar to what Leeds did.

One day you may see a 6/7/9 from Wakefield represent your club and move forward. But for now, leave it to the entertainers!

Fluke a play off place with 10 wins and all of a sudden your the future of super league.

MInor point. Will Dagger was in the Wakefield Academy and left for the bright lights and green grass of Warrington.

Re: Promotion and Relegation : Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:20 pm  

mean_machine wrote:

Same track as Salford? We are about to buy our own ground, average just short of 8k and had the lowest % of dropped attendance post covid in SL. Adding facilities at one end of the ground to generate income and provide a full match day experience. All whilst not spending cap.

Bastion left because of travel from Leeds, where he lives, to join Leeds. No great conspiracy. Ben cockayne left the club about 3 months ago. Keep up old chap.

Commercially we are a million miles away from Salford.

Investing in youth means giving opportunity to players like abdull, litten, Lewis, Ethan Ryan, matty storton, Lewis Johnson,
Will Dagger and having them as a backbone of your team for a generation similar to what Leeds did.

One day you may see a 6/7/9 from Wakefield represent your club and move forward. But for now, leave it to the entertainers!

HKR do spend to the cap - mostly on pension building Aussies. Lewis the only home grown player in your team.

Yes, way better numbers than Salford.

Abdull & Litten from HFC. Ryan & Storton from Bradford. Johnson & Dagger from Wire.

I thought HKR gave clubs like mine hope in the modern era when you got to the Wembley final - then you lost by a record margin.

We all live in hope I guess, but HKR do not represent the path to RL enlightenment.

Re: Promotion and Relegation : Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:45 am  

Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo wrote:

Fluke a play off place with 10 wins and all of a sudden your the future of super league.

MInor point. Will Dagger was in the Wakefield Academy and left for the bright lights and green grass of Warrington.

I remember him playing for us and it was years back. This poster has no clue.

Tell you what, if HKR owes this to their new youth formula of letting other teams do all the developing first, then our decision to promote Fifita to our first team from Cronulla at aged 28 looks a masterstroke of planning on our part

Re: Promotion and Relegation : Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:52 am  

dboy wrote:

HKR do spend to the cap - mostly on pension building Aussies. Lewis the only home grown player in your team.

Yes, way better numbers than Salford.

Abdull & Litten from HFC. Ryan & Storton from Bradford. Johnson & Dagger from Wire.

I thought HKR gave clubs like mine hope in the modern era when you got to the Wembley final - then you lost by a record margin.

We all live in hope I guess, but HKR do not represent the path to RL enlightenment.

Sometimes though, you do need to move away from so called brighter lights to get noticed. Several players carved out decent careers from the Leeds academy, that couldn't break into the Leeds first team on a regular basis. Just because they may not be your own, if your bringing in somebody young from elsewhere,and giving them a chance, and sticking by them, is that not investing in youth. I think the last 6/7 at Hull KR were Kelly and Campese.

Also, we have been guilty in the past ourselves in bringing in old, past it players from the NRL for one final payday. Recently Anthony Tupou, comes to mind.

At the end of the day, they've brought both youth and older heads, and it's worked. As for playing less games, the system is poor and this was always going to happen at some point.

Re: Promotion and Relegation : Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:27 am  

Travelling Wilbury wrote:

Sometimes though, you do need to move away from so called brighter lights to get noticed. Several players carved out decent careers from the Leeds academy, that couldn't break into the Leeds first team on a regular basis. Just because they may not be your own, if your bringing in somebody young from elsewhere,and giving them a chance, and sticking by them, is that not investing in youth. I think the last 6/7 at Hull KR were Kelly and Campese.

Also, we have been guilty in the past ourselves in bringing in old, past it players from the NRL for one final payday. Recently Anthony Tupou, comes to mind.

At the end of the day, they've brought both youth and older heads, and it's worked. As for playing less games, the system is poor and this was always going to happen at some point.

Has it? For one season! They have bought in no more young players than anyone else and certainly not from the Academy they don't have, let's see three years down the line,

Let's be truthful, they failed to beat us twice and are only there by a mathematical anomaly and a canny coach, they have not been building for this, if you read the HKR fans forum nobody was seeing this coming just like we didn't in 2004.

As I said no axe to grind and I genuinely hope they do a Leicester but so far this is no more than we've managed to do a few times or would have done with a kind bounce or two.

Only Belly would try and make this out to be more than it is.

Re: Promotion and Relegation : Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:08 am  

Travelling Wilbury wrote:

Just because they may not be your own, if your bringing in somebody young from elsewhere, and giving them a chance, and sticking by them, is that not investing in youth.

No, it's bloody not!