Re: New Stadium Updates : Fri Nov 19, 2021 8:36 am  

vastman wrote:

You’ve just stated the ultimate woke heresy. Black and Asian people are NEVER racists in anyway, they are only ever victims that white middle class people with a guilt complex can patronise.

All white people are guilty on the other hand. All of us are endowed with that mystical gift of white privilege, even though most of us are just as poor and powerless as them.

But then we were never enslaved. Yet you look through your family history and most of us won’t have to go back far to find relatives who were enslaved in all but name.

Tied farm labourers, indentured apprentices, mine workers paid in company tokens, you name it they were trapped in poverty and they were all as white as sheets.

Yeah but black people were whipped or hung if they tried to escape. True and unforgivable but there white counterparts were also hung or if they were lucky deported for stealing a loaf of bread to feed their starving families.

It’s all about degrees but in truth your average white person has only really had any sense of freedom and quality of life since the end of the First World War, that’s only a hundred years ago. Sue it’s a privilege of sorts but it’s one we extend to all people living in Britain, if we didn’t people wouldn’t be risking their lives to get across the channel.

So where do we draw the line?

While all that you say is true, the white people that were enslaved, weren't abused purely because of the colour of their skin, which is a HUGE difference.

Re: New Stadium Updates : Fri Nov 19, 2021 8:55 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

While all that you say is true, the white people that were enslaved, weren't abused purely because of the colour of their skin, which is a HUGE difference.

I'll answer this and then PT can place the race stuff somewhere else if he wishes or just delete it all.

So that's not totally true is it, and this is where history cheats.

Look it up, throughout history more white people have been enslaved than black, it's a fact, going right back to ancient Egypt.

Africans were not preyed upon because they were black, they were preyed upon because they were defenceless. Had they been white they would still have been enslaved. Like it or not slavery was not about colour but about money and the richest slave traders of all were often rivel black tribes.

Nobody can deny being black-skinned played a part but it's only a factor and it's the only thing that differentiates poor black from poor white. So yes there is a difference, but huge, no way. Put a 12-year-old mill worker next to an American negro cotton slave in the early 1800's and you will see very little difference. One is enslaved the other is free in name but in nothing else.

Racism is a weapon used by those with an agenda. It's simply a way that the ruling class, black or white, divert attention away from themselves. This is what people mean when they get annoyed that only whites are branded as racist. Go to Rwanda if you want to see an example of black racism or almost any part of India or China etc etc.

Racism is very much not an exclusively white occupation.

Unfortunately, it's now so politicised as an issue it can no longer be debated seriously. There are apparently no points of compromise anymore, you are either totally BLM anti-racist or you are a racist. No views in between, no looking back at history, no attempt to accept all points of view. Just one or the other, it's tragic how western values of free speech and expression are being destroyed before our very eyes and so many can't see it. Once it's gone you won't get it back and you'll find that out soon enough when eventually you say or believe something that doesn't fit the norm.

Big brother is here in the form of woke and eventually woke will become the thought police. You have been warned.

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Re: New Stadium Updates : Fri Nov 19, 2021 9:04 am  

I'll lock this until I separate the off topic bits out.
I'd have preferred it if those discussing would just have clicked the one button to do it but clearly that isn't happening.
I'm not moving it, I'm just taking it out of this one
If you want to start an off topic thread by all means do.