: Thu May 21, 2009 5:27 pm  

TURFEDOUT wrote:

But there not cheating anyone.

If everyone is happy with their performance on the pitch - why would anyone feel cheated.

Do you think anyone ever felt cheated by Socrates - the great Brazilian footballer.

63 caps for Brazil and a heavy smoker and drinker.

Im sure people watching Garforth Town didnt feel cheated to see him play.

But that performance could be better therefore yes they are cheating those who pay their wages be it the fans or the club.

Socrates was in a different era but still who knows how much better he would have been had he not smoked and drunk so much.

They also used to eat steaks before games but don't anymore because things have moved on.

Players used to get tanked up the day/night before a game they don't anymore because things have moved.

: Thu May 21, 2009 7:01 pm  

Neggy wrote:

But that performance could be better therefore yes they are cheating those who pay their wages be it the fans or the club.

Socrates was in a different era but still who knows how much better he would have been had he not smoked and drunk so much.

They also used to eat steaks before games but don't anymore because things have moved on.

Players used to get tanked up the day/night before a game they don't anymore because things have moved.

If you truly believe that they are cheating the clubs and fans then fine,its your opinion -- i just dont think you will find many people agreeing,unless you ask the question at Kingdom Hall.

Nobody is denying that the players that smoke maybe wasting some potential,but they are paid a wage based on what level of performance is expected from the individual,if they reach that level then no one can complain.The only person they are cheating is themselves.

Fabian Barthez,David Ginola,Igor Stimac,Zidane,Bobby Charlton,Jack Charlton,Wally Lewis -- World famous international sports stars from different eras that all smoked -- im sure you wont find many fans who felt cheated by those players either.

: Thu May 21, 2009 7:01 pm  

JK stands by the decisions http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12196_5341182,00.html Well said John.

JK stands by the decisions http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12196_5341182,00.html Well said John.

: Thu May 21, 2009 7:50 pm  

neggy and turfed out, i agree with both sides of the argument. yes the body is better without smoking and drink but also these players were signed while they smoked and drank. if somebody stopped smoking suddenly their game could be affected...ie anxiety etc (snowie after your comments you would agree)..also the same with having a beer..it can relax you after a tough time...no beer = stressed eric = tension = drop in performance maybe..arguments both ways.

: Thu May 21, 2009 8:03 pm  

crowt123 wrote:

neggy and turfed out, i agree with both sides of the argument. yes the body is better without smoking and drink but also these players were signed while they smoked and drank. if somebody stopped smoking suddenly their game could be affected...ie anxiety etc (snowie after your comments you would agree)..also the same with having a beer..it can relax you after a tough time...no beer = stressed eric = tension = drop in performance maybe..arguments both ways.

I still suffer anxiety ever now and then but because the habit of holding the cig has gone I can tend to get over it quickly, as for my performance I can tend to breath more easily when running around with the kids shame the joints rattle tho

I also sit with my work mates and have a bit of passive smoke now and again and that tends to smell nice when they are smoking, bit later

: Thu May 21, 2009 8:12 pm  

crowt123 wrote:

neggy and turfed out, i agree with both sides of the argument. yes the body is better without smoking and drink but also these players were signed while they smoked and drank. if somebody stopped smoking suddenly their game could be affected...ie anxiety etc (snowie after your comments you would agree)..also the same with having a beer..it can relax you after a tough time...no beer = stressed eric = tension = drop in performance maybe..arguments both ways.

Thank God.

Youre not a Witness

: Thu May 21, 2009 8:18 pm  

TURFEDOUT wrote:

Thank God.

Youre not a Witness

no but he likes doing jury service expenses, expenses, expenses

: Thu May 21, 2009 10:33 pm  

Given that neither player was accused of smoking, I think it's fair to say we've done this topic to death.

Any new developments in the Scully saga can have a separate thread.

Any top tips on how to give up smoking can be put on the Sin Bin, with a PM to me and BIGAL.

Cheers, folks.