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l played professional rugby league, fought in WW2, was at Normandy D-Day and worked on the docks all my life. l used to go to rugy until ill health made it impossible for me to continue. l had the priviledge of watching such great players as Peter Sterling, Brett Kenny and the like grace our rugby grounds. l am an advocate of home grown talent but believe 'star imports' are a benefit to our game although l also think the limit should be 3 per club.

l used to believe that l fought for freedom but day by day this belief has diminished. We are now branded criminals for such 'crimes' as overfilling the wheelie bin or dropping litter in the city centre or speeding and so on. Whilst one can understand being fined for such things (except wheely bin) one should not have to be branded a criminal.

Now l find that my sport is also being targeted. Aussie players are being refused work visas because of their 'criminal' record. At first l thought what have they done? ... armed robbery? fraud? murder? GBH? ABH? NO! none of these, what we have is speeding offences, charged with assault (not convicted, just charged) and affray. Affray? we see that virtually every rugby match. lt is just above breach of the peace and is in reality just 'handbags'. Any altrication on the streets, in pubs, at home, at work, at matches etc etc the police can charge you with affray.

Upon further investigation l could find no reference to any foreign rugby union players being refused work visas or, god forbid, a Pakistani, or the like, cricket player being refused. ls it because these sports have influence and power? ... or like the cricketers, would result in mass demonstrations by the Muslim community. l say this for the Muslim community, they stand up for themselves and make their voice heardand for that they have my respect ... whether l believe in their cause or not.

But what does the working class sport of Rugby League and their supporters do? ... sweet FA! Except ofcourse slag off and gloat the clubs who have lost the services of these players. How narrow-minded and petty can you get? The RLHQ do nothing, the club boards do nothing and the supporters do nothing. Yet you have all the supporters at what ground or another so how hard would it be for all supporters to band together? You are in touch with all the clubs here anyway! Petitions, demonstrations etc may shame the club boards into coming onboard and maybe just maybe the RLHQ. Flood the Canberra British Consulate with e-mails ... and your MP's ... and the papers. Get media coverage ... hell, SKY is owned by Rupert Murdoch alone.

lf it carries on, what will happen to our sport? the lnternationals? ... depleted teams? Rugby League won't become 3rd rate ... it'll be lower!

l've fought my battles ... on the battleground, work, bureaucracy ... anything that l deemed injust or wrong. Some l won and some l lost but atleast l tried. l didn't cry in my beer and do nothing. Apathy seems endemic throughout the majority of citizens hence the minority always have the say ... especially the mandarins in Government. The one club that would speak out, Won't ... because they are French and wouldn't stand for it. God, that grates saying that but it's true.

What is happening to Rugby League is injust and wrong but it won't change unless the clubs, RLHQ and supporters speak out against it ... but ... the silence is deafening!
Thu Feb 19, 2009 1:01 am  
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I have to confess that I wondered whether the same rule was being applied to other sports. However, there could be a couple of valid reasons:
1. Maybe the visa rules have just been tightened across the board.
2. Maybe the NRL just take a tougher stance on off-the-field stuff, so that more players get suspended easier, so that more look to our game, thus increasing the likelihood of visa refusals.

We will see whether this is any truth in your suspicions when Winterstein's visa is looked at. He's not pending anything, as far as I'm aware, and has no record, as far as I'm aware.

In relation to any player pending trial in Australia, there is of course the question as to whether the Aussie authorities would let him go. I know that we would be reluctant over here to let someone live on the other side of the world when they are awaiting trial.
Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:54 am  

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To be fair they did let Latu come over.
[quote="EmmaMur01"]I hope they get relegated. Their fans are idiots.[/quote]
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honest to god your like a big and not very bright child.

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Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:58 am  

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J.T wrote:
To be fair they did let Latu come over.


Bet we won't let him go back home again though! Wonder how he got backin after the world cup? did he come back in someones luggage?

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devilsadvocate wrote:
l fought in WW2, was at Normandy D-Day


:lol:

So your what, 85? 90?
We put this festival on you b*st*rds
With a lotta love
We worked for one year for you pigs
And you wanna break our walls down
And you wanna destroy us
Well you go to hell

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Thu Feb 19, 2009 3:24 pm  

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At best 80 i'd say. :wink:
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Thu Feb 19, 2009 3:39 pm  

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D-Day was 1944. Got be (officially) 18 to be in the army. Born (at the latest) 1926....makes him (at least) 83 this year.
Thu Feb 19, 2009 3:42 pm  

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Indeed.

Anyway, war's over, granddad.... time for a nap.

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