Re: Carter makes statement about season and players leaving : Mon Sep 05, 2022 9:10 am  

Dunkirk Spirit wrote:

I Don’t Think I’ve seen MC mention this before

Carter confirmed Wakefield want to seal a permanent deal for Hull fullback Jamie Shaul, who has been on loan.

Its mentioned in the statement that this very thread is about

He's been very good for us, hope we can get the deal done. He also looks like he enjoys playing here too.

Re: Carter makes statement about season and players leaving : Mon Sep 05, 2022 9:16 am  

charlie wrote:

Its mentioned in the statement that this very thread is about

He's been very good for us, hope we can get the deal done. He also looks like he enjoys playing here too.

He has been good but so has Jowitt. For me he’s not a necessery signing and we certainly need other positions first as a priority.

Re: Carter makes statement about season and players leaving : Mon Sep 05, 2022 9:24 am  

Trojan Horse wrote:

He has been good but so has Jowitt. For me he’s not a necessery signing and we certainly need other positions first as a priority.

What other full-back do we have if we don't sign JS?
Another FB is a necessity for me.

Re: Carter makes statement about season and players leaving : Mon Sep 05, 2022 9:39 am  

phe13 wrote:

What other full-back do we have if we don't sign JS?
Another FB is a necessity for me.

Only 1 full back plays in a 17. What we do need is cover but I would say Gaskell offers that cover. We have Hall/Lyne as centre next season starting. There are options.

Shaul probably won’t come cheap and I’d be tempted to look at a cover player who can cover halfs and fullback if needed (possibly promote Butterworth who I think can cover both).

I’m not saying Shaul is bad. He’s played well with us but I’m not sure it’s a necessary signing they’d all.

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Re: Carter makes statement about season and players leaving : Mon Sep 05, 2022 10:06 am  

Trojan Horse wrote:

Only 1 full back plays in a 17. What we do need is cover but I would say Gaskell offers that cover. We have Hall/Lyne as centre next season starting. There are options.

Shaul probably won’t come cheap and I’d be tempted to look at a cover player who can cover halfs and fullback if needed (possibly promote Butterworth who I think can cover both).

I’m not saying Shaul is bad. He’s played well with us but I’m not sure it’s a necessary signing they’d all.

I do get the point but this kind of decision is what separates fighting for relegation with fighting for top 6.

When a player is injured we need to bring in someone who can also play at that level.
Personally, I like Shaul enough that he is starting no.1 over Max.

Re: Carter makes statement about season and players leaving : Mon Sep 05, 2022 10:20 am  

PopTart wrote:

I do get the point but this kind of decision is what separates fighting for relegation with fighting for top 6.

When a player is injured we need to bring in someone who can also play at that level.
Personally, I like Shaul enough that he is starting no.1 over Max.

I think Max is superior with creating the overlap and in attack and Shaul in organising defence (though I see some improvement in Max here).

I would go with Max starting over Shaul but there’s in truth not much in it. There’s obviously time for Jowitt to grow his game further though with his best years ahead of him coming up.

I guess we will see as I’m sure there’ll be a number of players sign and re-sign no doubt. I won’t be dissapointed if we sign Shaul so long as we strengthen where we need to as a priority.

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Re: Carter makes statement about season and players leaving : Mon Sep 05, 2022 10:37 am  

Trojan Horse wrote:

I think Max is superior with creating the overlap and in attack and Shaul in organising defence (though I see some improvement in Max here).

I would go with Max starting over Shaul but there’s in truth not much in it. There’s obviously time for Jowitt to grow his game further though with his best years ahead of him coming up.

I guess we will see as I’m sure there’ll be a number of players sign and re-sign no doubt. I won’t be dissapointed if we sign Shaul so long as we strengthen where we need to as a priority.

It's the 'Max is improving' thing for me. I like so much about his game but the managing the defense thing is major and we need someone right now to be able to do it.

Fullback is a really important role. Oh to have a Lachlan Coote who does it all.

Re: Carter makes statement about season and players leaving : Mon Sep 05, 2022 10:46 am  

Trojan Horse wrote:

Only 1 full back plays in a 17. What we do need is cover but I would say Gaskell offers that cover. We have Hall/Lyne as centre next season starting. There are options.

Shaul probably won’t come cheap and I’d be tempted to look at a cover player who can cover halfs and fullback if needed (possibly promote Butterworth who I think can cover both).

I’m not saying Shaul is bad. He’s played well with us but I’m not sure it’s a necessary signing they’d all.

Why won't Shaul come cheap? If nobody else is offering a deal he won't have much choice.

Is Max OOC?

I can't see why we can't have both.

Shaul is a specialist FB. Max is not far behind but has also proved himself capable of playing in the halves and even the wing, so he adds the versatility.

I wouldn't put too much faith into Gaskell. He's been OK at centre but he's unlikely to hold that position. He won't play FB so he's most likely to end up as a utility support player. But more importantly, he's still an injury risk.

I think what WP wants is a smaller squad with less utility and more specialist players, might be totally wrong.

He will probably look at utility in the backs from Jowitt and Gaskell. In the forwards from Crowther and A N Other, and Kay in the pivot role. the rest will probably be used in single positions. Obviously this only applies with a normal level of injuries, a massive crisis as per 2019 would see far more players playing out of position.

Just my theory, WP hasn't cleared it with me yet

Re: Carter makes statement about season and players leaving : Mon Sep 05, 2022 10:47 am  

PopTart wrote:

It's the 'Max is improving' thing for me. I like so much about his game but the managing the defense thing is major and we need someone right now to be able to do it.

Fullback is a really important role. Oh to have a Lachlan Coote who does it all.

Also got to remember that Shaul is new to the team, give him a close season and he will look even better (hopefully).

Re: Carter makes statement about season and players leaving : Mon Sep 05, 2022 10:52 am  

PopTart wrote:

It's the 'Max is improving' thing for me. I like so much about his game but the managing the defense thing is major and we need someone right now to be able to do it.

Fullback is a really important role. Oh to have a Lachlan Coote who does it all.

I get that but Lachlan Coote and Shaul are the wrong side of 30 and I’m a believer that the experience in organising defense comes as fullbacks age. I’m sure I recall Shaul at Max’s age being more an off the cuff player who wasn’t renowned for his defence either. To develop that Max needs to play games regularly.

We have won multiple games with Jowitt at the back this year and looked good defensively in recent ones. I see Jowitt shouting at players pulling them into holes and he has improved in tackling somewhat (stopping Sao or Manu?).

Shaul is probably a good short term option for 12-24 months but Jowitt is steadily growing into a good fullback and if we plan to play Shaul there short term then I think it would be to the detriment of Jowitt. Jowitt should be hitting his best years and will
I’ll likely be out full back for the next 6-7 years. I’m trying to think more medium- long term.