Re: The Problem With Newmarket : Fri Jan 01, 2010 12:19 pm  

Here we go http://www.wakefieldccg.co.uk/blog/ comment here. What a silly video!! all those people on it will gladly want a new stadium for WTW!!!! and a harsh message to them why move to a house near a rugby stadium if they didnt think all these things would happen??? I'm sure Belle VUE was there before they all moved in... anyway thats a side issue...

Here we go http://www.wakefieldccg.co.uk/blog/ comment here. What a silly video!! all those people on it will gladly want a new stadium for WTW!!!! and a harsh message to them why move to a house near a rugby stadium if they didnt think all these things would happen??? I'm sure Belle VUE was there before they all moved in... anyway thats a side issue...

Re: The Problem With Newmarket : Fri Jan 01, 2010 2:06 pm  

Am I not right in thinking any planning application will be accompanied by an environmental impact/aspect assessment (Town and Country planning Act I think)

This will highlight both the positive and negative impacts to the env/community. It will also highlight the negative impact on the flora/wildlife whilst also offering up suggestions to reduce that impact-Ive worked on jobs where bat bricks are inserted into buildings so the bats can get in and out with bat boxes inside the roof space to allow the bats to fly around, buildings that have plant life growing in/on the brick work, roads(A1M) that have badger runs under them and management arrangements for the newts etc.

Organisations such as Natural England will get involved if the land is particularly "special". Generally solutions can be found to appease all sides-Naturally there will always be people who lose out.

Re: The Problem With Newmarket : Fri Jan 01, 2010 3:34 pm  

wire-quin wrote:

Am I not right in thinking any planning application will be accompanied by an environmental impact/aspect assessment (Town and Country planning Act I think)

This will highlight both the positive and negative impacts to the env/community. It will also highlight the negative impact on the flora/wildlife whilst also offering up suggestions to reduce that impact-Ive worked on jobs where bat bricks are inserted into buildings so the bats can get in and out with bat boxes inside the roof space to allow the bats to fly around, buildings that have plant life growing in/on the brick work, roads(A1M) that have badger runs under them and management arrangements for the newts etc.

Organisations such as Natural England will get involved if the land is particularly "special". Generally solutions can be found to appease all sides-Naturally there will always be people who lose out.

Theres no buildings and its not special.

Re: The Problem With Newmarket : Fri Jan 01, 2010 4:00 pm  

arhh got it a ground with no stands, roads, club shop, bars-just a pitch that the newts can use Mon-Sat but not Sun 12-5pm

Sound environmentally friendly to me-how could there be any opposition to this proposal.

I suspect Toulouse, Paris, Widnes are all in support of it!!

Re: The Problem With Newmarket : Fri Jan 01, 2010 4:29 pm  

vastman wrote:

IMO it is a site ripe for development. Very little residential, easy access from motorways, a site of no value historical or natural or "HERITAGE" don't make me laugh.

If this site doesn't get the green light and goes to a full enquiry because a few dozen nimby's are looking for a cause to fill their drab lives then Wakefield is doomed to remain a back water.

I'm all for fairness and the voice of the little man being heard. But when it's a few dozen reactionaries stopping something 15,000 people want and will provide jobs hundreds who need them then I become hostile. I'm hostile because there come a point where the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the very few in this case. It's a form of reverse bullying, the nobody having there moment for kicking the big guy. This despite the overblown retoric has nothing to to with belief and everything to do with being petty and awkward for the sake of it IMHO.

Just using the word HERITAGE shows you to be a fraud IMHO.

I'm sure some will slap me down for my post but frankly I'm sick of these people getting in the way of genuine progress for the majority for very little reason.

Vasty this is the first time i will ever say this but you are spot on !!!

Re: The Problem With Newmarket : Sat Jan 02, 2010 10:01 am  

After reading through most of this debate it is quite apparent that the vast majority of you have me down as some kind of loon, tree huger or just plain out to stop the world from evolving type of person and in the main you do seem to despise my views which is fair enough because as I said from the start I did not expect my views to be popular so with all that In mind I will make this my last post. Firstly I would like to make it clear that I am not a NIMBY as some of you have labelled me infact I live about 2 miles from the site but I do feel for the people who are living on the edge of the proposed development and it may serve some of you well to take your heads out of the clouds and think of the implications for these people, how would you like it if someone was going to build a dozen warehouses at the bottom of your garden and slash the value of your property overnight. Another of my points that seems to have vexed some of you is the one about the wildlife on the site, just because this area may not be the prettiest Greenland you have ever seen and it is not there for people to walk on it does still support a vast amount of wildlife and once this area has been industrialised and concreted throughout all that life will cease to be, but hey what does that matter as long as we get some nice shiny new warehouses and create a few dozen jobs for some migrant workers oh and get the all important new stadium. Others have asked why I am not opposed to the stadium but am opposed to the industrial side, basically a new stadium and other sports facilities could easily be fitted in to this land and the main green part of the land could remain and the only real traffic into the site would be once every couple of weeks for about 6 months out of the year, but when you industrialise it all the green will go you will get 24 hour heavy goods traffic, nature will be dead and buried and the site will just continue to expand but as long as you don’t live down there and have no respect for wildlife what does that matter. It has also been mentioned that my argument is flawed and poorly structured, well at the end of the day I am just a normal working man I am not a spokesman for the few hundred people who are opposed to this venture hell at the end of the day there is every chance that I work with some of you people on here, all I have tried to do is put my point across, at the end of the day obviously we have sought legal representation and been in contact with various ecological groups who have dealt with these kind of situations in the past and when the time comes these will be the people who put our case across to the council planners. So that’s it really there’s nothing more I have to say I think it’s just a case of we will have to agree to disagree.

Re: The Problem With Newmarket : Sat Jan 02, 2010 10:18 am  

stanleyman wrote:

After reading through most of this debate it is quite apparent that the vast majority of you have me down as some kind of loon, tree huger or just plain out to stop the world from evolving type of person and in the main you do seem to despise my views which is fair enough because as I said from the start I did not expect my views to be popular so with all that In mind I will make this my last post. Firstly I would like to make it clear that I am not a NIMBY as some of you have labelled me infact I live about 2 miles from the site but I do feel for the people who are living on the edge of the proposed development and it may serve some of you well to take your heads out of the clouds and think of the implications for these people, how would you like it if someone was going to build a dozen warehouses at the bottom of your garden and slash the value of your property overnight. Another of my points that seems to have vexed some of you is the one about the wildlife on the site, just because this area may not be the prettiest Greenland you have ever seen and it is not there for people to walk on it does still support a vast amount of wildlife and once this area has been industrialised and concreted throughout all that life will cease to be, but hey what does that matter as long as we get some nice shiny new warehouses and create a few dozen jobs for some migrant workers oh and get the all important new stadium. Others have asked why I am not opposed to the stadium but am opposed to the industrial side, basically a new stadium and other sports facilities could easily be fitted in to this land and the main green part of the land could remain and the only real traffic into the site would be once every couple of weeks for about 6 months out of the year, but when you industrialise it all the green will go you will get 24 hour heavy goods traffic, nature will be dead and buried and the site will just continue to expand but as long as you don’t live down there and have no respect for wildlife what does that matter. It has also been mentioned that my argument is flawed and poorly structured, well at the end of the day I am just a normal working man I am not a spokesman for the few hundred people who are opposed to this venture hell at the end of the day there is every chance that I work with some of you people on here, all I have tried to do is put my point across, at the end of the day obviously we have sought legal representation and been in contact with various ecological groups who have dealt with these kind of situations in the past and when the time comes these will be the people who put our case across to the council planners. So that’s it really there’s nothing more I have to say I think it’s just a case of we will have to agree to disagree.

At last we have the real reason ! Your command of written english is very poor, my 9 year old could do better !

Re: The Problem With Newmarket : Sat Jan 02, 2010 10:25 am  

crowt123 wrote:

At last we have the real reason ! Your command of written english is very poor, my 9 year old could do better !

he'll fit right in then....

Re: The Problem With Newmarket : Sat Jan 02, 2010 10:27 am  

It seems to me that the opposition to the project is very small in numbers and will have little influence as the greater good of the community will show through.

What it looks like, as nearly all protesters are from Newmarket Lane, to have any kind of meaningful opposition they need to spread there support to Moorhouse and Bottomboat. That video was made as a deliberate scare tactic, it's saying that them areas will have the problems that Agbrigg have had. It's important a good counter argument gets accross regarding the parking arangements as this the only real scare tactic they have. If things are not communicated clearly reagarding the parking situation the small numbers of protesters could find some sympthy in Bottom Boat and Moorhouse.

Re: The Problem With Newmarket : Sat Jan 02, 2010 10:31 am  

stanleyman wrote:

After reading through most of this debate it is quite apparent that the vast majority of you have me down as some kind of loon, tree huger or just plain out to stop the world from evolving type of person and in the main you do seem to despise my views which is fair enough because as I said from the start I did not expect my views to be popular so with all that In mind I will make this my last post. Firstly I would like to make it clear that I am not a NIMBY as some of you have labelled me infact I live about 2 miles from the site but I do feel for the people who are living on the edge of the proposed development and it may serve some of you well to take your heads out of the clouds and think of the implications for these people, how would you like it if someone was going to build a dozen warehouses at the bottom of your garden and slash the value of your property overnight. Another of my points that seems to have vexed some of you is the one about the wildlife on the site, just because this area may not be the prettiest Greenland you have ever seen and it is not there for people to walk on it does still support a vast amount of wildlife and once this area has been industrialised and concreted throughout all that life will cease to be, but hey what does that matter as long as we get some nice shiny new warehouses and create a few dozen jobs for some migrant workers oh and get the all important new stadium. Others have asked why I am not opposed to the stadium but am opposed to the industrial side, basically a new stadium and other sports facilities could easily be fitted in to this land and the main green part of the land could remain and the only real traffic into the site would be once every couple of weeks for about 6 months out of the year, but when you industrialise it all the green will go you will get 24 hour heavy goods traffic, nature will be dead and buried and the site will just continue to expand but as long as you don’t live down there and have no respect for wildlife what does that matter. It has also been mentioned that my argument is flawed and poorly structured, well at the end of the day I am just a normal working man I am not a spokesman for the few hundred people who are opposed to this venture hell at the end of the day there is every chance that I work with some of you people on here, all I have tried to do is put my point across, at the end of the day obviously we have sought legal representation and been in contact with various ecological groups who have dealt with these kind of situations in the past and when the time comes these will be the people who put our case across to the council planners. So that’s it really there’s nothing more I have to say I think it’s just a case of we will have to agree to disagree.

By using the phrase "we have sought..." you're basically saying that you are (perhaps closely) involved with the comic work of WCCG. As this group clearly only has concerns about Newmarket Lane you (by default) are a NIMBY even if your own back yard is not necessarily affected from a literal perspective.

Is there any evidence to support the "slashing" of houses prices? I will agree that people looking to sell won't have the added bonus of open fields to offer in the future, but to suggest that it will dramatically affect the value of their home is ridiculous. Regardless of how the development will affect house prices, it's well known that house prices are only just starting a recovery after a couple of years of falling value. As a result, I would be very surprised if the average value of properties of Newmarket Lane is adversely affected for more than a couple of months during this period compared with the rest of Wakefield. By the time the development is complete, the house prices will be rising and falling just like any other property in Wakefield. The only thing that will change in the longer term is the type of buyer of those properties.

There will be an assessment of the environmental impact and I'm sure that WMDC will consider the arguments of both experts and "treehuggers" at the appropriate point.

The main reason for criticism of your argument is that you have no counter-argument to any of the comments made in response to your earlier posts. From everything you have said (and by your apparent representation of WCCG I apply this to all of you) you are not interested in making effective counter-argument on any of the issues (where are your suggestions of alternative sites for the development or sources of alternative funding for a stand-alone stadium?) and would suggest that you all spend more time getting your own house in order rather than trying to convince this forum that WCCG are in the right. At the end of the day you're simply wasting your own efforts on here as almost every one of us has signed the petition in favour of the proposals.

I'm certain that you didn't expect anything other than general opposition to your point of view when you started this thread and that's what you've got.