Re: Takeover updates : Wed Oct 04, 2023 9:06 am  

Willzay wrote:

Also, Applegarth paid little attention to our own youth this season, so that argument falls flat. The bloke got this club relegated, unforgivable for me.

You can accuse Applegarth with a few things but 'paid little attention to our own youth' is not one of them. This year alone Harry Bowes played 14 games, Jack Croft played 9 after coming home and recovering from injuries, Sam Eseh played 15 games, Lee Kershaw played 17 games and Lewis Murphy was our starting winger before his ACL. As well as giving game time to Butterworth, Law, Pratt, Schofield, Shaw Harvey Smith and Windrow. I'm not sure what more you're wanting?

If you're alluding to our specific youth system then I can also include Max with 15 games and Jordy with 9 before he left - I'll even throw in Jay Pitts, Liam Kay, Will Dagger, Corey Hall and Josh Griffin. If it's 'young players' in general then he also packed out the squad with Sam Hewitt, Tom Forber and Ugo Tison throughout the season too.

...This is already off the back of losing 2 genuine first teamer (...and now some of the best players in SL) in Tom Johnstone and James Batchelor, along with Yusuf Aydin too.

If you think the aforementioned players should be getting more game time then I'd love an explanation as to why with the only one I can see who should have played more was Lee Kershaw over Tom Lineham...and Lewis Murphy if he didn't suffer a season ending injury.

The stick to beat Mash with has been severely overused in recent times but to say he does not focus on youth, younger players or academy players is downright incorrect.

Re: Takeover updates : Wed Oct 04, 2023 9:26 am  

JamieRobinson1234 wrote:

You can accuse Applegarth with a few things but 'paid little attention to our own youth' is not one of them. This year alone Harry Bowes played 14 games, Jack Croft played 9 after coming home and recovering from injuries, Sam Eseh played 15 games, Lee Kershaw played 17 games and Lewis Murphy was our starting winger before his ACL. As well as giving game time to Butterworth, Law, Pratt, Schofield, Shaw Harvey Smith and Windrow. I'm not sure what more you're wanting?

If you're alluding to our specific youth system then I can also include Max with 15 games and Jordy with 9 before he left - I'll even throw in Jay Pitts, Liam Kay, Will Dagger, Corey Hall and Josh Griffin. If it's 'young players' in general then he also packed out the squad with Sam Hewitt, Tom Forber and Ugo Tison throughout the season too.

...This is already off the back of losing 2 genuine first teamer (...and now some of the best players in SL) in Tom Johnstone and James Batchelor, along with Yusuf Aydin too.

If you think the aforementioned players should be getting more game time then I'd love an explanation as to why with the only one I can see who should have played more was Lee Kershaw over Tom Lineham...and Lewis Murphy if he didn't suffer a season ending injury.

The stick to beat Mash with has been severely overused in recent times but to say he does not focus on youth, younger players or academy players is downright incorrect.

Cracking post..
I hope our new coach and MA sort something out.
However I think Powell will probably want a clean slate .

Re: Takeover updates : Wed Oct 04, 2023 9:40 am  

PopTart wrote:

Seems like Ellis disagrees without.

I would expect him to say nothing less because it’s a stalling statement until he takes full control. The final decision will be made by Powell who almost certainly will go with his own assistants who know his methods.

Re: Takeover updates : Wed Oct 04, 2023 9:41 am  

For those who don’t do Facebook
From JM

Update ahead of tonight's Shareholders meeting

Good morning, I wanted to give you a prior update ahead of tonight’s shareholders meeting.

After some discussion with Matt Ellis, we have decided that since the acquisition isn’t formerly completed yet Matt, in particular feels it would be better if he didn’t attend this evening, Matt would like to meet you all soon with his management team.

I still very much want to go ahead and meet you all this evening and I’m looking forward to discussing important matters such as the stadium redevelopment works, our recent submission for Grading purposes & exactly where we are regarding the acquisition of the club.

Matt wanted to send you all a personal message as below:

“Dear valued shareholders I am writing this email regarding the shareholders meeting tonight, I can assure you I am looking forward to meeting with you all however I won’t be attending tonight’s meeting. When John asked me to attend a few weeks ago I felt the deal would have been concluded. I can assure everyone that the deal is at the very final stages now and both myself and John/Michael’s solicitors are aiming to get this over the line in the coming days. I feel that until the deal is finally signed, I will be hampered somewhat in answering certain questions as I finalise new signings and season ticket plans. I have been working hard behind the scenes and as you all will be aware I have agreed a deal with a new Head Coach. I can also confirm I have a new Recruitment / Salary Cap Manager ready to start working for the club once the takeover is complete. I also have a number of staff ready to take their place to run the off the field non rugby business. I will call a further shareholder meeting within days of the takeover being completed. I will bring along Daryl and these new members of our management team so we can all be introduced and answer any questions you may have. I am very excited to get the takeover completed and meet you all hopefully in the coming days and talk about ambitions for the future on and off the field.”



I very much look forward to seeing you all this evening.

Regards

John

Re: Takeover updates : Wed Oct 04, 2023 9:47 am  

Makes perfect sense to me. Matt Ellis is the future and that is what I wish to hear about. John Minards is the past(hopefully) he has had his stint, time to move on.

Re: Takeover updates : Wed Oct 04, 2023 9:49 am  

Belle Vue wrote:

You really do need to try a bit of self awareness mate..
Try thinking about some of the stuff you put up on here before you actually post it!

Why, he did not consider WP and the fact he was losing his job judging by the time it took him to accept the post. I am sure he would argue it is part of the cut throat nature of professional sport.

Re: Takeover updates : Wed Oct 04, 2023 9:59 am  

Very good and accurate post Jamie. Fact over fiction. I think we all agree Inc mc jm that the playing staff was not good enough for super league however one thing that strikes me is that the players even though not good enough put 100% effort in right to the end and for me that speaks volumes for the coach. I can assure you that players don't if they don't respect the coach.

Re: Takeover updates : Wed Oct 04, 2023 10:00 am  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

Why, he did not consider WP and the fact he was losing his job judging by the time it took him to accept the post. I am sure he would argue it is part of the cut throat nature of professional sport.

Mmmm
I think your probably trying to deflect from the fact that I was actually talking about YOU….. and your self awareness .

Re: Takeover updates : Wed Oct 04, 2023 10:32 am  

Trojan Horse wrote:

These are questions for Ellis and Powell who are having discussions and considering if he has a place.

The part about Poching is all suspect/rumour that you are treating as fact. That’s not fair at all in my eyes. The board made the choice to appoint someone other than Poching and MA was offered the job. He accepted it and why wouldn’t he.

I mean continuity in the sense that there will be a lot of personnel I would imagine leaving the club and so goes with it knowledge and experience of a few levels of working within a rugby club. Applegarth may bridge some of this and I believe that despite not achieving the end result he will have gained a lot of experience and learnt alot this season. Taking a step back and learning under an experienced coach like Powell (not ab inexperienced one like Poching) may be of great benefit should the people who matter decide it.

This is the problem with some Wakefield fans ,always making excuses up for players and coaches who are not good at there job but defend them because there Wakefield through and through .This is why we are in the Championship because we have been content to put up with players that have come through the youth system that are average, .As said the very good ones have moved on Time for a clean sweep we have got to get to the point were we can keep the quality youth ,and get rid of the average. And Poching was beginning to bring in some young quality to the team ,one he'll of a mistake getting rid.

Re: Takeover updates : Wed Oct 04, 2023 10:40 am  

Belle Vue wrote:

Mmmm
I think your probably trying to deflect from the fact that I was actually talking about YOU….. and your self awareness .

And I was pointing out his actual lack of self awareness (well I am sure he knew the outcome of his actions and I saw no regret from him, did you?) but in his case it actually impacted two people who lost their jobs.
This is business of professional sports (well more semi professional for us) but none the less results driven so he was actually lucky that he survived the full season, he wouldn’t have at any other club.