Re: Tick Tock : Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:51 am  

Think your right and a small part of where the stadium is to go will encroach on it and thats the reason for the PI.Think this delay is just so that the ldf gets all the Is and Ts done and then we will know the outcome.The way Gouvernment departments work baffles most of us mortals and all it needs is one bit of legislation bumf to come in and the way things are done changes.Some times they put the cart before the horse and then find out its the other way round and you end up with delays.The decision will have been made and it will just need everything else being made secure.

Re: Tick Tock : Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:00 am  

Tigerade wrote:

Am I right in saying that not all of the site has been re-classified as greenbelt ?

AFAIK you are correct. From what I understand, the industrial units on the former pit site will be on the land released from greenbelt.
The stadium and sports facilities will be on greenbelt (or at least most of it). Sports facilities are something that are allowable on greenbelt.
The stands and auxiliary buildings need to have a special case made, but as there were no objections to the plans for the stadium, only the enabling industrial units, there is no problem. HTH.

Re: Tick Tock : Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:01 am  

Anything in this?

"The land that is to be taken out of Green Belt is the land for the B8 Wharehouse Units only. The Staduim and community pitches, Starter B1 Units , Hotel, Drive Thru' etc are all still on Green Belt even after the LDf report".

BigAlf's words.

Re: Tick Tock : Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:02 am  

coco the fullback wrote:

AFAIK you are correct. From what I understand, the industrial units on the former pit site will be on the land released from greenbelt.
The stadium and sports facilities will be on greenbelt (or at least most of it). Sports facilities are something that are allowable on greenbelt.
The stands and auxiliary buildings need to have a special case made, but as there were no objections to the plans for the stadium, only the enabling industrial units, there is no problem. HTH.

I thought all the land had been brought out of GB classification, hence the "huge hudle" reporting of the LDF last week??

Re: Tick Tock : Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:05 am  

Tigerade wrote:

Am I right in saying that not all of the site has been re-classified as greenbelt ?

Correct. The LDF has removed 57ha of the site from greenbelt for B8 employment use, which is the area shown in the planning application for the proposed units.

The business starter units, the hotel, fast food & stadium complex is still on the greenbelt. However, sports fields and associated facilities are permitted development within the greenbelt. So the training pitches, changing rooms, and the stadium pitch are permitted. The stands that surround the stadium pitch & the car park are probably not permitted but greenbelt policy is not clear on this, so special circumstances will have to be demonstrated and I think that will be the case.

Th hotel & business starter units are still in the greenbelt but they provide a business case for the stadium conferencing facilities and the business starter units provide additional match day parking.

Given that Leeds CC did not object to the Stadium complex and the main thrust of their objection was around the B8 units, and while they objected to the starter units/hotel it was not a major part of their case, then it is all about the business starter units & hotel and how they support the business case for the stadium. Given that the area of land for this element of the site is small then turning down these elements of the scheme would be a rather stupid decision.

Whatever happens in the next few days, someone is going to build warehouse units on the Newmarket site, this is 99.9% certain. So if the SoS turns down the planning application the warehouses still get built and the community get nothing. A major own goal would have been scored, jobs and investment lost, and the community with no sports facilities BUT the warehouses still get built... can you see how silly that would make the government look!

Re: Tick Tock : Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:05 am  

kinleycat wrote:

Anything in this?

"The land that is to be taken out of Green Belt is the land for the B8 Wharehouse Units only. The Staduim and community pitches, Starter B1 Units , Hotel, Drive Thru' etc are all still on Green Belt even after the LDf report".

BigAlf's words.

Yep, AFAIK the stadium and associated facilities are classed as a special case which can be built on Green Belt, whereas the Industrial units needed the LDF to reclassify the land to Brown Belt/Employment Zone as no special case could be made for them.

Re: Tick Tock : Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:11 am  

Khlav Kalash wrote:

Yep, AFAIK the stadium and associated facilities are classed as a special case which can be built on Green Belt, whereas the Industrial units needed the LDF to reclassify the land to Brown Belt/Employment Zone as no special case could be made for them.

So would i be right in assuming that this is nothing new (to anyone involved anyway!!) and therefore with less than 24 hours to go before the decision was to be announced, the delay is not likely to be caused by this (news)?

Re: Tick Tock : Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:17 am  

Thanks for that Sandal Cat.

Re: Tick Tock : Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:19 am  

kinleycat wrote:

So would i be right in assuming that this is nothing new (to anyone involved anyway!!) and therefore with less than 24 hours to go before the decision was to be announced, the delay is not likely to be caused by this (news)?

Again, as far as I can understand it, this has not changed, and as IA said, the crux of the objectors argument was the industrial units and not the stadium (although they’re probably not happy about that either but saw an opportunity to object to that indirectly by preventing the enabling development) so I’m pretty certain this delay is nothing to do with that. Also more would’ve been made of that during the PI. To be honest the more I think about it the delay seems more likely to be the authorities getting all their ducks in a row.

Re: Tick Tock : Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:20 am  

Khlav Kalash wrote:

Again, as far as I can understand it, this has not changed, and as IA said, the crux of the objectors argument was the industrial units and not the stadium (although they’re probably not happy about that either but saw an opportunity to object to that indirectly by preventing the enabling development) so I’m pretty certain this delay is nothing to do with that. Also more would’ve been made of that during the PI. To be honest the more I think about it the delay seems more likely to be the authorities getting all their ducks in a row.

That'll do for me!!!