Re: New Stadium Updates : Thu Oct 21, 2021 1:59 pm  

Thank you ,far to much red tape .except when it effects London

Re: New Stadium Updates : Thu Oct 21, 2021 2:01 pm  

alegend wrote:

Had all these documents to be past when they started building at Newmarket or are they new one's

These latest documents appear to be updated or/and in response to the original documents that had been submitted earlier this year. Some of the earlier documents required the developers to make amendments or clarification to the originals,

Re: New Stadium Updates : Thu Oct 21, 2021 6:19 pm  

Much of the conditions will have ben set for the outline application, the reserved matters will cover the details. Things are moving but wouldn't be surprised if it pushed on a to next year for the Council to make a decision.

Re: New Stadium Updates : Thu Oct 21, 2021 6:51 pm  

Khlav Kalash wrote:

Much of the conditions will have ben set for the outline application, the reserved matters will cover the details. Things are moving but wouldn't be surprised if it pushed on a to next year for the Council to make a decision.

A decision next year would possibly be too late to save the club.
Below, is a paragraph from the Developers “Revised Planning Statement” Sept 10th 2021.

9.4 The stadium at Belle Vue fails to meet the Rugby Football League’s Tiers 1 – 3 Operational Rules 2020 and Facilities Standards 2016. This is because it does not provide the required number of covered seats in particular. The other limitations are the floodlighting which fails to meet the 1200 lux requirement. Disabled facilities are inadequate. Continued failure to comply with the rules and standards poses risks to the Club’s future.
9.5 The Rugby Football League has granted a dispensation to Wakefield Trinity Rugby League Football Club for the current league season. However, Samantha Allen, Head of the Delivery, Professional Game and Salary Cap, wrote to the Club on 22nd January 2020 stating that;
“Please note that no further dispensation will be granted in relation to seating....”
9.6 Under the Operational Rules, if a Club fails to comply with a dispensation given to it then it is guilty of misconduct and the Club may be excluded from the Rugby Football League’s fixture list at its absolute discretion. The Rugby Football League has the right to carry out inspections of grounds and direct that a match, or matches, may not be played if the ground is found to be unsuitable in some way.
9.7 In those circumstances, the Club would potentially be unable to play matches at Belle Vue and therefore unable to play within the Super League competition with significant adverse consequences

I think we really need a positive outcome on November 18th this year.

Re: New Stadium Updates : Thu Oct 21, 2021 7:25 pm  

Dunkirk Spirit wrote:

A decision next year would possibly be too late to save the club.
Below, is a paragraph from the Developers “Revised Planning Statement” Sept 10th 2021.

9.4 The stadium at Belle Vue fails to meet the Rugby Football League’s Tiers 1 – 3 Operational Rules 2020 and Facilities Standards 2016. This is because it does not provide the required number of covered seats in particular. The other limitations are the floodlighting which fails to meet the 1200 lux requirement. Disabled facilities are inadequate. Continued failure to comply with the rules and standards poses risks to the Club’s future.
9.5 The Rugby Football League has granted a dispensation to Wakefield Trinity Rugby League Football Club for the current league season. However, Samantha Allen, Head of the Delivery, Professional Game and Salary Cap, wrote to the Club on 22nd January 2020 stating that;
“Please note that no further dispensation will be granted in relation to seating....”
9.6 Under the Operational Rules, if a Club fails to comply with a dispensation given to it then it is guilty of misconduct and the Club may be excluded from the Rugby Football League’s fixture list at its absolute discretion. The Rugby Football League has the right to carry out inspections of grounds and direct that a match, or matches, may not be played if the ground is found to be unsuitable in some way.
9.7 In those circumstances, the Club would potentially be unable to play matches at Belle Vue and therefore unable to play within the Super League competition with significant adverse consequences

I think we really need a positive outcome on November 18th this year.

When would we get to know if it’s defiantly being heard on the 18th November?

Re: New Stadium Updates : Thu Oct 21, 2021 7:50 pm  

Belle Vue wrote:

When would we get to know if it’s defiantly being heard on the 18th November?

Not until the meetings agenda is published, which is usually during the week before the meeting.

Re: New Stadium Updates : Thu Oct 21, 2021 7:54 pm  

Dunkirk Spirit wrote:

A decision next year would possibly be too late to save the club.
Below, is a paragraph from the Developers “Revised Planning Statement” Sept 10th 2021.

9.4 The stadium at Belle Vue fails to meet the Rugby Football League’s Tiers 1 – 3 Operational Rules 2020 and Facilities Standards 2016. This is because it does not provide the required number of covered seats in particular. The other limitations are the floodlighting which fails to meet the 1200 lux requirement. Disabled facilities are inadequate. Continued failure to comply with the rules and standards poses risks to the Club’s future.
9.5 The Rugby Football League has granted a dispensation to Wakefield Trinity Rugby League Football Club for the current league season. However, Samantha Allen, Head of the Delivery, Professional Game and Salary Cap, wrote to the Club on 22nd January 2020 stating that;
“Please note that no further dispensation will be granted in relation to seating....”
9.6 Under the Operational Rules, if a Club fails to comply with a dispensation given to it then it is guilty of misconduct and the Club may be excluded from the Rugby Football League’s fixture list at its absolute discretion. The Rugby Football League has the right to carry out inspections of grounds and direct that a match, or matches, may not be played if the ground is found to be unsuitable in some way.
9.7 In those circumstances, the Club would potentially be unable to play matches at Belle Vue and therefore unable to play within the Super League competition with significant adverse consequences

I think we really need a positive outcome on November 18th this year.

Think you’re being slightly pessimistic, depends on the nature of any revisions. So long as they are minor I don’t think it would stop the start date. I’m not an expert but I believe you can start building so long as you agree to incorporate the requirements. That was certainly the case when my mate built his house, whether that applies to commercial I’m not sure.

Re: New Stadium Updates : Thu Oct 21, 2021 8:23 pm  

I don’t think it would show the council in a good light if the club got kicked out of SL because they’d been scratching their chins tying to make up their mind up.

Re: New Stadium Updates : Thu Oct 21, 2021 8:37 pm  

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vastman wrote:

Think you’re being slightly pessimistic, depends on the nature of any revisions. So long as they are minor I don’t think it would stop the start date. I’m not an expert but I believe you can start building so long as you agree to incorporate the requirements. That was certainly the case when my mate built his house, whether that applies to commercial I’m not sure.

That's fine if you have the money in the bank, start dates have come and gone and it still feels like they are using time knowing full well that the club doesn't have any

Here's a question if we drop out of super league or get kicked out is the stadium still going to be up graded

Re: New Stadium Updates : Thu Oct 21, 2021 9:28 pm  

snowie wrote:

[imgur][/imgur]That's fine if you have the money in the bank, start dates have come and gone and it still feels like they are using time knowing full well that the club doesn't have any

Here's a question if we drop out of super league or get kicked out is the stadium still going to be up graded

Yes but that’s if there is a major issue that causes the rejection of planning permission. That’s hopefully not what we are talking about here. Planning permission may come only if we can satisfy any amendments, hopefully we can in which case it won’t significantly delay the build if at all.

The far more crucial issue here imho is not planning permission as that’s basically a box ticking issue and I’m fairly sure we will manage that even with some slight delays.

The main issue is getting hold of the money and always has been. The are literally dozens of stadium plans out there with full planning permission, NM being one. But without the funds they are utterly useless.

You can get over planning issues, you can’t get over people who don’t stump up the cash.

I’m far more worried about the supposed start date of the build than I am about planning permission, that’s the date we should be nervous of.