Re: Castleford at home : Mon Jul 24, 2023 9:36 am  

BackSeatCoach wrote:

He's. had 3 years.

What's the definition of madness?

....Supporting Wakefield Trinity....???

Re: Castleford at home : Mon Jul 24, 2023 11:21 am  

alegend wrote:

Give the guy a break, Lino played the last game with out is hooker and standoff for most the game Good one about the style of rugby coach wants to play, 15 losses on the trot ,6 game's on the trot with out scoring a try This shocking season is all down to poor coaching, and having a team full of old players .At least give Lin o 4 or 5 games before saying how crap he is .

I would like nothing more in the world than Lino to succeed and play well especially to play a big part in turning our season around. I’ve watched him for a few years now and I remain unconvinced by his ability to be anything more than a half with a decent step to put him through the line. Something I expect to deteriorate with age.

He played the last game with a recognised 9 in hood and Bowes for the full match. There was some disruption to his 6 though.

The style of rugby you’re just deflecting away from the Lino argument and blaming the coach starting a different argument. That’s a different discussion. It adds to the fact that whenever Lino is discussed it’s always someone else’s fault. The coach, his hooker, his halfback, his full back, the forwards etc.

I gave Lino 15 or so games this season before I decided I’m not impressed with him. Or rather not impressed with him at 7. He is not an organiser and he should t be having so much ball as he does.

He may be more successful playing off the back of Gale as a 6 but Gale needs to be the one in the driver seat.

I commend Lino’s enthusiasm to try make things happen but he needs to simplify his game back to his strengths.

Fans seem to think he’s great and that it’s all the other players and the coach that are the issue. I don’t know what he’s done to achieve this status amongst fans. I really hope he proves me wrong. I will ofcourse cheer him on when he takes the field.

Re: Castleford at home : Mon Jul 24, 2023 11:41 am  

1315trinity wrote:

We all see things differently.
The fact he’s has had so many partners is part of the problem.
To read sone of the comments on here you get the feeling Lino was solely responsible for all the defeats! Absolute rubbish!
Give him a proven stand off to work with and I think you’ll see a different Lino

Yet Gale who had a makeshift partner with Dagger pulled out some good attacking play and our attack was much improved. How do you explain that?

Also, Smith and Dagger pulled out an improved attacking display vs Leeds? How do you explain that?

Kay and Dagger pulled off a good attacking display vs Wigan… how do you explain that?

Yet Lino playing a number of times with Dagger, Smith couldn’t produce the same results. Your argument works against you.

On the above 3 wins we moved the ball considerably better across the line and created more opportunities with overlaps etc.

He’s not the sole cause of the string of losses but imo he’s a contributory factor in a combination of causes.

Miller always took the lead and he played off the back of that. Whoever he plays with he needs to let the other half lead or he’s going to continue to struggle. Hopefully Gale can offer that but it would be harsh on Dagger who’s played better. I’d go with Gale/Dagger on what I’ve seen.

Re: Castleford at home : Mon Jul 24, 2023 12:07 pm  

Trojan Horse wrote:

Yet Gale who had a makeshift partner with Dagger pulled out some good attacking play and our attack was much improved. How do you explain that?

Also, Smith and Dagger pulled out an improved attacking display vs Leeds? How do you explain that?

Kay and Dagger pulled off a good attacking display vs Wigan… how do you explain that?

Yet Lino playing a number of times with Dagger, Smith couldn’t produce the same results. Your argument works against you.

On the above 3 wins we moved the ball considerably better across the line and created more opportunities with overlaps etc.

He’s not the sole cause of the string of losses but imo he’s a contributory factor in a combination of causes.

Miller always took the lead and he played off the back of that. Whoever he plays with he needs to let the other half lead or he’s going to continue to struggle. Hopefully Gale can offer that but it would be harsh on Dagger who’s played better. I’d go with Gale/Dagger on what I’ve seen.

I’m not at all knocking the makeshift half back partnerships we’ve had - they did well in those games you mention.
My main criticism is that you cannot blame one player for the way we’ve been playing, that’s just ridiculous and unfair.
He may as you say be a contributory factor but I’m convinced it’s because he was expected to be the kind of player he isn’t.
That’s my opinion you can think what you like of course.

Re: Castleford at home : Mon Jul 24, 2023 12:19 pm  

1315trinity wrote:

I’m not at all knocking the makeshift half back partnerships we’ve had - they did well in those games you mention.
My main criticism is that you cannot blame one player for the way we’ve been playing, that’s just ridiculous and unfair.
He may as you say be a contributory factor but I’m convinced it’s because he was expected to be the kind of player he isn’t.
That’s my opinion you can think what you like of course.

I’m not only blaming one player though. He’s the focus of this discussion so I’m going to discuss him. That doesn’t mean he’s solely to blame at all.

He has been expected to be the player he isn’t and even now we continue to try make him the general in the middle (Huddersfield). He may have something to offer as the half who plays off another but we have yet to see him in that position.

I will keep giving him chances but I’m just unconvinced by him and if the 3 year deal was to use him as we have been as an organiser then I shake my head. Hopefully we change how he’s used and he becomes more productive.

You’re entitled to your opinion too ofcourse. We just have slightly different perspectives.

Re: Castleford at home : Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:53 pm  

I agree hard to put blame on lino at Huddersfield. We loose ball on first tackle and they score , dagger kicks out of play from restart and we spend first 20 mins defending own line at least 3drop outs. By time we saw the ball we looked tired and hudds were were a yard quicker off the line. Lineham then lost ball a d they score again. To be fair our try as made by a nice little ball by lino. Don't think it helped by batty not playing at 13.lino might not be the best but even if gale had played instead result and scoreline would have been the same . I think we can only judge at moment when we are in a nip and tuck game not the one sided one at Huddersfield

Re: Castleford at home : Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:23 pm  

He’s had a long time to impress. Hasn’t has he? Not many games I can think of where he has stamped his mark with the ball other than his kicking. Seems more of a headless chicken type very often.

Re: Castleford at home : Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:53 pm  

Don't think he took this much stick last season when we beating Warrington 3times and then at end of season. Seem to remember miller was the Scape goat for a fair bit of time and then left with hero status nearly.

Re: Castleford at home : Mon Jul 24, 2023 9:06 pm  

Trin e ti wrote:

Don't think he took this much stick last season when we beating Warrington 3times and then at end of season. Seem to remember miller was the Scape goat for a fair bit of time and then left with hero status nearly.

That’s because Lino wasn’t the general last season and was very much playing off Miller. This season Lino has been the general and of course would cop the flack like Miller did if it’s not good enough.

Miller didn’t leave with hero status. He left with thanks. You’re making things up to try and suit your argument. I seem to recall that if anything there was a split with fans who thought we needed to move on and those who wanted to stick with him despite his faults. I was in the get rid camp but only if we signed a quality 7 to come in. We didn’t and the rest is history.

Re: Castleford at home : Mon Jul 24, 2023 10:02 pm  

Trojan, with miller leaving it was a 6 we needed not a 7 . To be fair up untill last few weeks whoever played half back was doing so behind a beaten pack so we're on hiding to nothing. Personally think it is time to look forward not dwell on the past. Positivity breads positivity