: Tue Jun 23, 2009 6:28 pm  

wakeytom wrote:

I cant agree with this I am afraid at all, it has been a drug used in england socialy since the late 80s and was first mostly used in places like london - it has since made its way up north so has nothing to do with overseas players at all

Sorry, but it was available early 80's and in Wakefield.

It does'nt matter if it's a social drug or whatever. Hock is a professional sportsman and well paid to boot,which prohibits the use of drugs.
He should pay the price.

What gets me they use cocaine because it can pass through the system pretty quickly compared to other drugs so why don't the authorities use a simple hair folloicle test which can go back up to six months on drug testing.
For example all casinos in the States do a six monthly test on all of there staff by this method.

: Tue Jun 23, 2009 6:29 pm  

St. Chunter wrote:

says who? i think you'll find there are huge swathes of people who would completely disagree with that statement and who themselves are extremely intelligent and successful. that however is another debate, the point being here that hock is in a position whereby he has an obligation to his employers not to do anything which may impair his performance. using cocaine is likely to have a detrimental effect on his performance, especially if used over a sustained period.
someone called him a cheat which i think is off the mark. i cant see how using cocaine would in anyway make him play better.

If people think taking drugs is going to have a positive affect then they can't be that intelligent.

I agree with that though, I would not call Hock a cheat. Just a bit daft taking it as I am sure he knew the risks.

: Tue Jun 23, 2009 6:30 pm  

adam9641 wrote:

Not saying that at all. But imo education will not change opinions of most.

When I was at school all these drug experts came in and it still did not prevent people from taking drugs....

how do you know? just because some one still takes drugs no official stats are available to see how many kids pause and say NO! .

its like saying don't send the local Bobbie into the school to give a talk on road safety ect , a well known poster on these boards who in his spare time (away from TV ) is a community copper and visits all the schools to talk about many things . Is he wasting his time?

just out of curiosity Adam did you ever dabble in drugs

: Tue Jun 23, 2009 6:33 pm  

Mutts wrote:

how do you know? just because some one still takes drugs no official stats are available to see how many kids pause and say NO! .

its like saying don't send the local Bobbie into the school to give a talk on road safety ect , a well known poster on these boards who in his spare time (away from TV ) is a community copper and visits all the schools to talk about many things . Is he wasting his time?

just out of curiosity Adam did you ever dabble in drugs

Pretty sure there are more people that still take drugs than don't after having the lessons.... But I am saying this based on the people out of my year at school. I am quite amazed how many people I see these days that are hooked on drugs and have nothing going for them.

: Tue Jun 23, 2009 6:34 pm  

adam9641 wrote:

I agree with that though, I would not call Hock a cheat. Just a bit daft taking it as I am sure he knew the risks.

It's against the rules, he's a cheat.

When he's served his suspension should he be welcomed back? Yes, of course.

: Tue Jun 23, 2009 6:35 pm  

adam9641 wrote:

Pretty sure there are more people that still take drugs than don't after having the lessons.... But I am saying this based on the people out of my year at school. I am quite amazed how many people I see these days that are hooked on drugs and have nothing going for them.

why do you think they started Adam , pier pressure maybe?

: Tue Jun 23, 2009 6:36 pm  

t-r-i-n-i-t-y wrote:

It's against the rules, he's a cheat.

When he's served his suspension should he be welcomed back? Yes, of course.

100 % agree

: Tue Jun 23, 2009 6:36 pm  

J.T wrote:

This is just the sort of rubbish that kids are told as fact which is in fact not true.

Most of the time it's true. Can't prove it but if you asked people who have smoked some weed I bet they have gone on to try something else.

We also did about this non stop at college and in many cases it proved to be true

: Tue Jun 23, 2009 6:36 pm  

t-r-i-n-i-t-y wrote:

It's against the rules, he's a cheat.

When he's served his suspension should he be welcomed back? Yes, of course.

breaking rules does not necessarily make someone a cheat

: Tue Jun 23, 2009 6:38 pm  

Mutts wrote:

why do you think they started Adam , pier pressure maybe?

In most cases I would say that is bang on.

You will get egged on to "give it a try" and a lot of the time people will give in just to look "cool"